Went to the Vienna sandwich bar last night, very impressive building, and is smells better than a fish market, which the old building used to be!
It was bright cheery and warm the restoration of the building tastefully done!

The food was a cross between Subway Mc Donalds and Burger King, I let you draw your own conclusions from that !, a Restaurant it is not, its queue up self service, but the food was OK for that type of place.

They do serve Beer and wine, beer served in pot tankards very Viennese

It was a good meal though some things tastier than others served in paper and cardboard a la Mc Donalds
The sweets are all tubs of ice cream sorbet or Sarah Lee chocolate cake or deli cakes

Two can eat for about €20 including drinks and postre

Now the really good thing about the place, the chain has taught the Staff, the meaning of the word SERVICE!!

You actually get attention and a warm welcome, the staff don't stand chatting to themselves instead of serving you the paying customer, as you would expect from a fast food place you get served quickly and efficiently, I was taken aback, I am not used to being served quickly in Spain

Would I go again? possibly if I needed a quick meal and I was in a rush Or I had children to feed.
I think the Kebab houses though a bit scruffy around the edges serve better tastier food.

The surprise was that it was absolutely packed, and at 7:30 and not just with parents taking young children, but there were oldies in there as well!!

Building and Decor       10 out of 10
Service and Politeness  10 out of 10
Food and drink               6 out of 10

Well its different, its not a rip off, its fast food as you know it, but generally good

But I still can't get over being served and seen as a customer not a hindrance!!

Hello,
Where exactly is the ex fish market please, is it near the indoor market in Tortosa ?

Location is next to the indoor market heading towards the millenium bridge , it's a  huge building with rounded ends, excuse the pun but it's sandwiched between the indoor market and the doner kebab house alongside the river, it is brightly lit so you can't miss it

Well you have obviously never been to the Viena by Leroy Merlin otherwise you would have known what to expect.
Personally we lilke the viena as not only is the service good, but they normally serve free pastries with the tea in the afternoon.
Ano not only that but they do vegetarian options as well.

Vienna in Leroys is really good.
It came recommended to us by some really nice people and it proved itself.
Excellent food excellent service and good veggie options, unlike Vienna (the city) itself where we just ""tourists""
Just my opinion :)

Well I thought I would just go to the kebab house next to Viennas' today, to test out my opinions versus the Vienna, and I have to conclude that although it is a bit shabby, the food is by far better than McViennas, much tastier and the chilli sauce is great, and they have gone up market and got some new posh plates.

So Kebab rules for me! it was only €20 for 4 as opposed to €20 for two at the Vienna

So Kebab House wins on at least 2 counts

Well all I can say is that if you had a degree in the Hotel and Catering Management and an Advance Food Science Diploma, both of which I have, you would not set your mush anywhere near a doner kebab.  Just a disaster waiting to happen !!

Tony, that has to be one of the most childish responses i have ever heard. If you dont like kebabs, fair enough, but to tell the world your qualifications to score a weak point is a bit rubbish isnt?

I was in Vienna and asked for a can of coke, the girl told me they had none. She went to get my upmarket McDonald burger and her pal stuck her hand under the counter and walked off with a can of coke. Nice one i thought, not been in since.
Before this i was in the McVienna in Barcelona and the staff there had obviously been on a McDonalds training course as they were as gormless as their big brother. They weren't even any 5 star generals to sort the mess out.

Never had a problem with kebabs, and trust me, i've had a few.

Live and let live Anthony, you will be more relaxed for it.

So what......I've got a degree in Applied Irish Science and my good lady has a masters in 'I told you so's 'and the Kebabs are still better.And you can have a beer.And you can watch a Bollywood movie...

all that for just 6 euros. tickety and indeed boo

wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 4:29pm:

Well all I can say is that if you had a degree in the Hotel and Catering Management and an Advance Food Science Diploma, both of which I have, you would not set your mush anywhere near a doner kebab.  Just a disaster waiting to happen !!

Hi Tony
I saw the '3 degrees' once, what does that qualify me for?
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A kebab from Lord Harpoles finest establishment

I'm inclined to agree with Tony, after 50yrs in the meat trade I would not touch a kebab with a skewer at forty paces! All the gentlmen from Greece, Turkey and all parts east have not been taught good health and hygeine routines but, "one man's meat" and all that..........keep taking the pills!!  

Thanks Old Nelson for your support.  
So those who run Viena keep a coke under the counter, at least it is not on top of a warm counter with flies crawling all over it breeding a nice case of salmonella or similar.
Once again the wicked moderator is not allowed to have thoughts and to back them up with why he should think like he does.  If I had said what I did without backing up my words you would have been on here now asking me what the hell I knew about it, so I pre-empted the question.  And because someone has been lucky enough not to suffer from food poisoning yet does not show that they have specialised knowledge on the subject of kebabs.  Well that is alright by me as I know that you will not be asking me around to enjoy the barbecued chicken which is black on the outside and red on the inside.
 

There is nothing like a good kebab. Stops you getting fat after 12 or 15 pints on a friday night and tastes good too.
Dont care whats in them, cos a few small germs help keep the big ones away.
Chili sauce rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Incidently I had my own restaurant/bistro for many years which was run to exemplary standards. Got more certificates than money ;)
PS Kebabs make you short sighted

Which all goes to prove my case, when I stayed away on business, I never ate in a hotel, and I am still here to tell the tale, most small hotels and pubs use food chains and catering suppliers for their meals. and the kitchen staff are usually no older than McDonalds staff or so old they still use tea towels to dry up with.

I had a tour round one of  Bookers suppliers once!! Mechanically extracted meat and connected tissue come to mind, they couldn't even call their sausages by that name as there was only 5% meat in them, they had to call them bangers

And yes I have seen a documentary on how Kebabs are constructed and what goes into them, but I take my Simvastatins daily and tuck in, you can't beat a  Doner Kebab

-----------------YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT !!!!--------------------------

Yes, then I presume that you used to stay at chain hotels, you should have gone independant.  But I ageree that there are many unhygienic hotels and having toured the kitchens of some of the top hotels in the UK many of things that I have seen have made me wince.  Some of them are even famous for their afternoon teas whilst enjoying a day out in London.
One thing I did not say in my posting was that I did not like doners I just said that I would not eat one.  Unfortunately my training has exposed me to the risks of eating certain types of food and the number of outbreaks recorded of food poisoning from kebabs has made me very suspicious of them, like it has of eating barbecued chicken and rice in Chinese restaurants.
I wonder how many people who have suffered from food poisoning have actually associated it with a donder kebab.  Most of the general public who have suffered a bout of poisoning only look back to what they have eaten on the previous day whereas certain strains can be caused by something eaten upto a week before by which time the dodgy doner will have been forgotten.
Still enough on the subject we are all made different and we all have different opions.  If we didn't it would be a very boring world and we would not then be able to have these discussions on the forum

Have you ever thought of train spotting......

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2008 at 3:49pm:

Have you ever thought of train spotting......

He probably does not have the necessary degrees and certificates ....and also got worried by the sheer number of unhygenic Kebab Houses and Chinkies surrounding the airports spewing out salmonella and germs towards the assembled "Aviation Enthusiasts"

;)

Still, looking on the bright side, at least nobody has been pedantic enough to point out that it is in fact Viena, not Vienna .....

Hazelnut,
            you're talking a load of "b......s" about meat content in sausages, it is law in the UK and EU for butchers and catering suppliers to have a minimum meat content which includes, fat and all excruded meat and content from bones to be 65% in pork sausages and 55% in beef sausages and they are periodically analysed by local inspectors and if found below that % there is court action and a large fine.
I am not against you or anybody else eating kebabs and enjoying them but maybe you should ask yourself one question when you go into buy one, bearing in mind how big the roll of meat is on the spit, how many times has it been heated and gone cold over a week, as it is not possible to be sold in one day.
Anyway I'm sorry to bore you, enjoy.....enjoy.....enjoy.  

Can we put a end to this ....its going on and on and on and on and on and on -------------happy christmas  >:(

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2008 at 8:21pm:

Hazelnut,             you're talking a load of "b......s" about meat content in sausages, it is law in the UK and EU for butchers and catering suppliers to have a minimum meat content which includes, fat and all excruded meat and content from bones to be 65% in pork sausages and 55% in beef sausages and they are periodically analysed by local inspectors and if found below that % there is court action and a large fine. I am not against you or anybody else eating kebabs and enjoying them but maybe you should ask yourself one question when you go into buy one, bearing in mind how big the roll of meat is on the spit, how many times has it been heated and gone cold over a week, as it is not possible to be sold in one day. Anyway I'm sorry to bore you, enjoy.....enjoy.....enjoy.

If you noticed I said Bangers and not sausages, I agree with you regarding meat content in sausages,a nd as a rule unless they are walls of course you get very good sausages from your local butchers shop but I said bangers and no rules apply to them!! you must have experienced good butchery practices, and never come across  the low end of makro type food suppliers

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2008 at 9:26pm:

Can we put a end to this ....its going on and on and on and on and on and on -------------happy christmas  >:(

Dear Tinkerbell

You don't have to read it if you aren't interested

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2008 at 10:36am:

-----------------YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT !!!!--------------------------

Then I must be a Donner Kebab and a pint of lager, mind you I would sooner be that than anemic veggie burger

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2008 at 8:21pm:

Hazelnut,             you're talking a load of "b......s" about meat content in sausages, it is law in the UK and EU for butchers and catering suppliers to have a minimum meat content which includes, fat and all excruded meat and content from bones to be 65% in pork sausages and 55% in beef sausages and they are periodically analysed by local inspectors and if found below that % there is court action and a large fine. I am not against you or anybody else eating kebabs and enjoying them but maybe you should ask yourself one question when you go into buy one, bearing in mind how big the roll of meat is on the spit, how many times has it been heated and gone cold over a week, as it is not possible to be sold in one day. Anyway I'm sorry to bore you, enjoy.....enjoy.....enjoy.

wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2008 at 8:21pm:

Hazelnut,             I am not against you or anybody else eating kebabs and enjoying them but maybe you should ask yourself one question when you go into buy one, bearing in mind how big the roll of meat is on the spit, how many times has it been heated and gone cold over a week, as it is not possible to be sold in one day. Anyway I'm sorry to bore you, enjoy.....enjoy.....enjoy.

Its no use telling them that Old Nelson as the majority will not realise that food should not be heated more than once without the risk of causing food poisoning.

As for bangers or sausages Hazelnut it is just a case of calling a rose by any other name.  They are still trying to sell an inferior sausage by a name the public will recognise and I am sure that the T S officers will be on to the ruse.

So,in conclusion,for fear of killing ourselves by eating anything processed,reheated,reconstituted,UHT'ed,steralized,radiated,microwaved,dried,fried,kept warm, feng wotsited or sold at McDonalds,what's the answer........????

The answer is obvious....we all go round to Tony's and he can show us how it should be done, while telling us about all his Degrees/qualifications and experiences of the food trade......take a couple of matchsticks along!!!!!!! (by the way.....for those of you UNEDUCATED folk.....the matches don't go into the food.....they're to keep your eyes open.....)

Then when we've all woken from our slumber......I'm with Hazelnut........WE HEAD DOWN TO THE KEBAB SHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I retire from this subject now and will start another. Ohhh Nooo I hear you all say!!

Hi Stuart,
I suppose you could say the "heat" was on the up & it was time to get out of the kitchen!  Anyway in the future, may all your Bangers & kebabs be large ones!
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Dear Hazelnut,        WELL MY MIND BOGGLES A NAME LIKE HAZELNUT ,A PICTURE OF VICTOR MILDREW .   AND SOMEONE WHO FEEDS HIS BRAIN WITH DONERS AND LAGER ....STILL I WISH YOU HAPPY CHRISTMAS ...MAYBE YOU ARE  HAVING A NICE KEBAB FOR CHRISTMAS LUNCH .....?     ;D   I WILL HAVE A NICE NUT ROAST OR A VEGGIE BURGER I THINK .


I WAIT FOR THE  REPLY ....

No I think it may be a traditional Turkey with all the trimmings, mind you there is a guy who sells suckling pigs for spit roasting advertising in the olive press, so i may be tempted down the piggy route, We wish you a Merry Christmas Too and Hope you enjoy your nut roast, Nothing wrong with Veggie food I agree and it is. I am sure more healthy for you but, I Love me meat!!

Hey it's FRIDAY NIGHT---- KEBAB NIGHT
MMmmmmmm Chicken or that meat stuff?
What shall it be?
Oh Sod it I'll have one of each and a large chips.
If I cant eat it all (as if) I can have the rest luke warm for breakfast.
No degrees required in my house ;D

Just to get back onto the topic of Viena.  The only food I've tried from there was a bite out of son's burger and I thought it was pretty horrible and the few chips that I tried were worse than horrible.  It isn't cheap either.

Soon the main road will be littered with franchised food chains,
Burger king,Subway,KFC,McDonalds,Wendys,IHOP,Kwik e Mart,Timpsons shoe repairers and key cutters...........Where will it ever end ????

With the small number of customers they seem to have recently, I cannot see how they can run a building of it's size.
Obviously the rates and wages are a lot lower than in England, and it has the space for large parties to meet and sit and talk without feeling pressurised to drink up and move, as happens in England !

wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 11:19am:

Soon the main road will be littered with franchised food chains, Burger king,Subway,KFC,McDonalds,Wendys,IHOP,Kwik e Mart,Timpsons shoe repairers and key cutters...........Where will it ever end ????

Well you won't see a Woolworths anymore!!

wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 11:01am:

Just to get back onto the topic of Viena.  The only food I've tried from there was a bite out of son's burger and I thought it was pretty horrible and the few chips that I tried were worse than horrible.  It isn't cheap either.

Well if your son must order a hamburger in Spain what do you expect.  Why not try their Spanish fast food instead.  The bocadillos and fluetas I have had at the Tarragona branch have been very good.
Seriously though, we were up at Leroy Merlins today and stopped for a cup of tea at Viena.  I can honestly say that it is the best cup of tea that I have had in Spain (really strong instead of the usual dishwater), and the free pastries at tea-time are good also.

The worst cup of tea I have ever had in Spain was at a restaurant on the way to the Playa de Marquesa on the delta where it was made completely with milk - ugh !!

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 7:48pm:

wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:01am: Just to get back onto the topic of Viena.  The only food I've tried from there was a bite out of son's burger and I thought it was pretty horrible and the few chips that I tried were worse than horrible.  It isn't cheap either. Well if your son must order a hamburger in Spain what do you expect.  Why not try their Spanish fast food instead.  The bocadillos and fluetas I have had at the Tarragona branch have been very good. Seriously though, we were up at Leroy Merlins today and stopped for a cup of tea at Viena.  I can honestly say that it is the best cup of tea that I have had in Spain (really strong instead of the usual dishwater), and the free pastries at tea-time are good also. The worst cup of tea I have ever had in Spain was at a restaurant on the way to the Playa de Marquesa on the delta where it was made completely with milk - ugh !!

Blimey Tony, do you patronise everyone or just a chosen few? ::)    We eat Spanish/catalan food almost every day of the week so having a burger was for a change.  It was rubbish and so were the chips.   And doesn't it strike you as even slightly ironic that you then go on to praise them for that least Spanish of commodities 'a nice cup of tea'??  ;D

OOhhhh goody someone else for Tony to have a go at, bring it on Pondgirl and you can take the heat off meeeeee!! ;D

Aah Stuart are you sure this view of your diminished popularity in Tony's eyes is correct? I'm sure he told me only last week that he was fond of hazelnuts.
::)

wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:57pm:

wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 7:48pm: wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:01am: Just to get back onto the topic of Viena.  The only food I've tried from there was a bite out of son's burger and I thought it was pretty horrible and the few chips that I tried were worse than horrible.  It isn't cheap either. Well if your son must order a hamburger in Spain what do you expect.  Why not try their Spanish fast food instead.  The bocadillos and fluetas I have had at the Tarragona branch have been very good. Seriously though, we were up at Leroy Merlins today and stopped for a cup of tea at Viena.  I can honestly say that it is the best cup of tea that I have had in Spain (really strong instead of the usual dishwater), and the free pastries at tea-time are good also. The worst cup of tea I have ever had in Spain was at a restaurant on the way to the Playa de Marquesa on the delta where it was made completely with milk - ugh !! Blimey Tony, do you patronise everyone or just a chosen few? ::)    We eat Spanish/catalan food almost every day of the week so having a burger was for a change.  It was rubbish and so were the chips.   And doesn't it strike you as even slightly ironic that you then go on to praise them for that least Spanish of commodities 'a nice cup of tea'??  ;D

Have you tried the hot chocolate to die for up in the cafe as you go into Bauhaus?Your spoon stands perpendicular and you can scoop the chocolate out with tiny croissants!

What's Bauhaus and where is it?  :)

Hi Penny,
Happy New Year,
It's a B&Q type place on the same retail park as Carrefour and Leroy Merlins at Tarragona.
I think it's a German company, they have some good special offers.

Jools

Thanks jools, and Happy New Year to you too.  We've only been up to Leroy Merlin's once so I'm not surprised I didn'lt recognise it  :)

Hi
Took the advice on the hot chocolate in Bauhaus and you were right it is delicious! One of the nicest we have tried.

thanks

Bruixot