Hi everyone am new here and looking to buy in the area. Will proberly be asking tons of questions so heres the first. Can any one tell me what a comparted well is (sorry if i sound thick!!!).

Thanks in advance

Sally

Well, I guess a well is one of those holes in the ground that you get water from!

Often called boreholes they offer the possibility of lots of nice cool water for the cost of switching on a pump.

On the subject... can anyone recommend a bole hole drilling company that they have used? Seem to be a few cowboys out there.

Pete.

There is a thread somewhere on this site all about boreholes,probably started by me........We are looking into to it  (the old ones are the best) There is a firm in Amettla called Aragonesa de sandeos y fluidos and we plan to visit them early next month.If this thread is still hot I'll let you know.
What I do know is that it is not cheap but would put value on the property but weigh that up against the cost of having water delivered over say a twenty year period.The other cost factor which we initially overlooked was the cost of a pump and the electricity it uses to draw the water from a deep well.
I'd be interested if anyone has any actual figures on this.

Hi Sally,
I have just been looking at "Live Spain for life", and on the forum there, it says that a "comparted " well, is one that is shared.

Thanks for replies, saw it on estate agent details for a property and had no idea what it meant.

Thanks again

Sally

Some info on sinking a bore hole.....
The price we have been quoted was 66 euros/mtr including the pipe.
100 euros for a bloke to do the divining (this guy can tell within a metre where the water is and at what depth...) This 100 euros is refundable when water is found,NO CHARGE for unsuccesful drilling.The firm contract in a drilling team from Barcelona and they also supply all the necessary (I never could spell that word)pumping equipment and provide a 2 yr guarantee (nor that one).
The firm,Tot llatje is next to the Champion/Carrefour on the way out to the AP7,the one with the big swimming pool outside.We are arranging for the diviner to walk our land in the next few weeks.
Hope this is of some help.

Hi Nobrot

We'd be really interested to hear how you get on with this company, as digging a well will be our first priority when we finally exchange contracts on our property.

Have they run out of rubber stamps in Tortosa? :(

Pondgirl.

I heard there were 2 ways of doing the deal, one, you pay per meter of digging down till water is found, the other, they say it is 35M to dig, quote you a fixed, "guaranteed well" price based on digging the 35M +/- whatever it actually turns out to be.

Hi all well prospectors:  In L'Estel mag there is an advert for well digging,   quoted at "from" 42 euros a metre.

Might be worth a look.

Hi everyone
We are also very interested in digging a well. Can you give us the number of the company advertised in the magazine?
Thanks
Angela and John  

We have water.........!!!!! My collegue(cheers Stan) has just been over our land in Benifallet with the water diviner and we have lovely water,corporation pop,Aldershot stock call it what you want.Apparently it's at 180mtrs(give or take 5mtres).The drillers need access at approx 3mtrs wide in order to get their drilling rig in,planning permission is needed but it seems to be a forgone conclusion as the diviner had the papers with him.This is done in Tortosa.I've been told that there are a lot more wells around that are not on any maps so it seems they haven't  got P/P
At 66 euros per mtr plus IVA it would work out at a similar price of a quote for a large cisterna.Granted pump price and probably some form of smaller balsa/cysterna has to be added,,build a swimming pool....
All we need to do now is organise the drillers.....

Congratulations - good to have water - so many think they can struggle on without but it can become an annoyance.
Don't forget that at 180 metres you will almost cretainly need a powerful pump and a 3 phase 400V generator.

Take a look at http://www.pumpexpress.co.uk/ped_4sr1_desc.htm for the sort of thing you'll need.

Nigel

Yes,thanks for that,I'd sort of figured I'd need something big.We do have some major powerlines on the land which seem to be 415v,if we can get connected it would be a godsend.

Hi Nobrot,

We spent a full morning in the offices of Fecsa a few months ago in Alcaniz, asking all of the pro's and con's about mains electricity connection.

Apparently anybody has the legal right to connect to the mains,......................at a cost!

The very large power lines are normally taking power to big cities, and you cannot spur off from these lines. You need the smaller ones. (please pardon the basic sounding knowledge......i'm a woman and more interested in the ceiling rose fittings and if they can be downlighters or on dimmer switches etc.......lol)

Then you need to find out where the nearest transformer is (large black box on a pylon) you can be connected from this.

So, in reality, you can have huge power lines crossing, or near your finca, and not have a hope in hell of connection, you can also have the lower voltage lines for villages on your property, but the transformer can be 5 kilometers away, again, not a huge problem, except, if you want your own transformer, they can fit this for you for.............36000 Euros, then approx. 6000 euros a kilometer to put the posts and cables to your house (depending on Fecsa's survey) and by the way, they wont even consider a survey before you actually own the property.

Small snitch in this information, Nobrot, here we go again!..........we were asking for the information for properties in Matarrana in Aragon, whether these prices are across the board for all areas i dont honestly know, because we didn't ask, but maybe it is something to work on.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Jools  

The figures I've heard for a transformer in the Tortosa area is 24,000 euros - it may have gone up though.

Baix Ebre map, there are transmission lines close to where you are - but they are 110kV - they will be on large steel pylons - if you have cables on small steel pylons or concrete pylons with seperate wires then they are probably 11-15kV and you'll need a transformer - if they are on concrete or wooden poles and are all twisted together then they will most likely be 440V, from which 220V for domestic supplies is derived.

Nigel

:)Had electric put up to the edge of my land by Fecsa and had my builder run it for 300yds in conduit with 10 mtr inspection points to my shack. Fecsa charged 6,000 euros when I ordered and you have to set up direct debit mandate for payments they then took the(6,000) money out  one week later. I did not get electricity for seven months!! After moaning lots about this they said it was normal procedure!
Spain needs more competition in the power industry and they would not be so lax.

Many thanks again to both of you for that info ,certainly something to think about.
Do we do the research and spend months probably years sorting out and waiting for electickery to be brought in or do we settle for solar and a v large genny (for the well pump) and not have to be reliant on an outside source.
Nigel,if my memory serves me right the pylons are smallish metal ones that may then need a transformer,there are however wooden ones that run across the valley from the caves but there are no cables attached to our side of the valley,could these be redundant or could they be re connected ????Do these electricity companys do surveys for you on your land ???.

On the electrical side, the pumps linked to earlier in this thread don't seem to draw that much juice, say 1.5kw. If you have a battery / inverter / solar system like we do then running a generator to charge the battery takes about 1.5kw also. Ergo... An 8kw genny would pump water and charge the batteries at the same time with 5kw left for the washing machine or whatever you use to make best use of the genny running time.
BTW we bought a set of fork lift batteries from eBay for £250. 700Ah @24V and they are only 2 years old. Had to bring them from England but still well worth it.

Cheers Pete,I had looked at the site Nigel mentioned and seen the technical jargon and yes It seems the pumps don't actually use as much power as I original had thought.I had visions of a huge diesel genny banging away in the background but it seems that a much smaller,possibly gas converted Honda (or similar) of the size you mentioned would suffice with a bit more left over to charge the batteries in the winter months.

Yes you can ger away with a smaller pump BUT don't forget that the smaller it is the less it'll pump per miinute = longet it needs to run.

i.e. your well is 180M +/- a bit so take a punt at 207M as they have spec'd it at that (allows a bit of leeway) the highest capacity  single phase 4SR1m45 is only going to pump 15 litres per minute. To fill a 'typical' 10,000L cisterna is going to take 11 hours to fill - I'm sure you can work out the rest....

Much better to go for something larger and run it for less time - but you'll need 3 phase for it.

Re poles etc.. sounds like the metal ones are 11/15kV. With the wooden ones - it might be worth asking about them but if they need to cross someone else's land etc. then good luck!  They have a similar problem in Sympatica and they're still holding their breath....


Nigel

Looks like you're right,I've worked the rest out.......

Cheers again

But how much will mains electric add to the value of the property??? Another question/option is a diesel pump for your well?????