Hi everyone
Just wondering if anyone has used Llatje to drill for water? The last time we were over we gave Xavi 100 euros to get a man to look at our finca and give us a price for drilling - no word from him since!(over weeks now)
Has anyone any advice about drilling?
Angela

Hi Angela,

You need permission to drill a well, the same as everything else.
Some ajuntaments are getting "fidgetty" at the amount of enquiries, and some of them have already banned it, as they are concerned it could cause problems later with the underground water, so i have been told.

Jools

hi , a mate got a quote who lives near Bitem ,  the drilling ,pump and generator came in at 15,ooo euro....seems like a lot of money , although he is a up the top of a valley so the depth was something like 150m

66 euros per metre including pipe.You'll then need a proper pump,power to work it,plumbing,fixing etc.
To drill and provide water on our land from a depth of 180 metres would cost in excess of 22,000 euros Plus IVA for everything.Your property value would increase to reflect this and you would have irrigation and a pool....

"were are my speedos Jordan...."

Well, we finally got our quote for the drilling- 15660 euros! We have been told it's 180 metres down. We don't want to spend that much so I think  we will build a cisterna instead.  We were quoted 75 euros per metre. The company who drill get the permission - we checked that already.

Hi John & Angela,

If it's any help, we deal with a company who charge 60 euros a meter, if my maths are correct that's 2700 euros cheaper, and the guy is also a diviner, so maybe he can find the water nearer to the surface!

Jools

Hi Jools
Could you send us their telephone number - we may as well try them.
Many thanks,
Angela

Hi John & Angela,

His name is Joan Ferras, he doesn't speak a word of English, and make sure you say Julie and Mercedes recommended him, or it wont be at this price.

Phone number 977 435147 or mobile 60844 0288

Hope that helps.

Jools

We have just had the Tot Llatje water diviner wave his wands over our property. Very impressive.

He has marked the spot where the divining rods went wild and judges that there is a very good supply of water 150 metres down. Current drilling cost is 76 € per metre plus IVA plus pump and 3 phase generator. Not cheap, but if it provides a good supply of potable water, well worth it in the longer term.

IMO you cannot compare the cost vs tankering in water. It is a capital investment, not an ongoing expense, so has to be looked at in a different way.

PB

Hi Pondboy
We use a company near Horta St Joan, he charges 60 euros per meter, and dont quote me on this, but i think that includes IVA, you only pay extra for the pump, that's quite a big saving on 150 meters of drilling.

Let me know if you want his details, he only speaks Spanish, but i dont mind translating for you.

Jools

You won't get potable water from the majority of wells because of all the pesticides and nitrates used on the soil. Don't forget all the Brits who haven't bothered with proper septic tanks and just dug pits.  ;)

PS. In Catalan language mags a bore hole is averaging 44Euros a metre. P'raps it's more if you are British.

OOOhhh... that hurts... How strange is that , inflated prices for Brits. Luckily that doesn't happen with anything else like property, housing, building material..........probably why most of us are walking funny

But it does happen elsewhere.  Try buying building items from Gisbert.  Soon as they see you are a Brit the price inflates, as do housing prices.   A friend of mine went to look at a house near us, and as soon as they walked in the price rose by 30,000 Euros, and when I took another friend to look it went up even more.

wrote on Jun 28^th, 2007 at 8:59am:

But it does happen elsewhere.  Try buying building items from Gisbert.  Soon as they see you are a Brit the price inflates, as do housing prices.   A friend of mine went to look at a house near us, and as soon as they walked in the price rose by 30,000 Euros, and when I took another friend to look it went up even more.

Well, they're not going to do much business selling houses like that are they?  

Well that is kinda the problem??? We all thought drilling was @65-75 p/m and yet Paulo put rather a spin on things (cheers for that!) Someone once told me there is a box a Stansted that reads "leave brain here" before going abroad. How many people have been done over with 40-300% commission on property and after they found out they've been had, then they get all upset. We will pay any  and I mean ANY amount's of money for the biggest load of crap cause we know no better. That crux of the story is , English are doing it to English #(English beeing the term used for non Spanjard's!!!) and English are being done by the likes if Gisberts and so on. We are gullabe and beleive all to be good and well out in the Sun. Don't get me wrong, I am not being negative, I love to the place and will settle down here The point I am trying to make is people should be more aware of what things cost and what work is involved and stop being led by one or two idiots that talk out of their arse  and we then beleive them cause of the "limited amount of info" available.

wrote on May 17^th, 2007 at 4:37pm:

You won't get potable water from the majority of wells because of all the pesticides and nitrates used on the soil.

Yes, an approach that would still be putting Saddam Hussein to shame if he were still alive...now we know what 'scorched earth policy' means.


wrote on May 17^th, 2007 at 4:37pm:

Don't forget all the Brits who haven't bothered with proper septic tanks and just dug pits.  ;)

Well, even a pit is better than what most Spaniards leave behind. I have inherited a straight pipe...straight into the barranco which, fortunately, has blocked so I have been forced to upgrade it. And my house is a registered dwelling. What evidence do you have that Brits haven't bothered? Most people will build a pit - unless you use a leach bed that it how a septic works. Numbers of people involved? Who is it that chucks any old garbage, chemical waste, building rubble and scrap metal over the nearest vertical edge? A practice that can only increase given the new Euro-controls on official dumps. My access road passes under a viaduct. You wouldn't believe the amount of rubbish that the railway workers chuck off it that we have to move to be able to drive by. When was the last time you saw a Brit labouring on the railway?


wrote on May 17^th, 2007 at 4:37pm:

PS. In Catalan language mags a bore hole is averaging 44Euros a metre. P'raps it's more if you are British.

I'd like to know which Catalan language mags. The Catalans I know have paid on average 65 Euros a metre (lined). Certainly prices for a lot of things are more expensive if you're a Brit. I just make a disgusted gesture and walk away. There is always another builders merchants down the road. And when did you ever see a Catalan quote a price up front?

wrote on Jun 28^th, 2007 at 4:21pm:

I'd like to know which Catalan language mags. The Catalans I know have paid on average 65 Euros a metre (lined). Certainly prices for a lot of things are more expensive if you're a Brit. I just make a disgusted gesture and walk away. There is always another builders merchants down the road. And when did you ever see a Catalan quote a price up front?

Well I took that with a very large pinch of salt Leo.  I haven't seen any ads in Catalan mags that quote specicic prices for jobs

There is always another builders merchants down the road.
How very true.All the talk is of Brits and/or other foriegners getting "ripped  off" but it is a free market economy out there and who is the fool,the guy who pays the inflated price or the guy who sells it.It's called business.

Very true rotnob,
                       the clever man who keeps the money is king,the fool is the one who parts with it too soon, and does not gain the interest that it gives.In other words,feel out the market, they want your money whether you are English or Spanish,just make sure that you try to pay the right amount and no more!
How? Give them an offer,you will soon find out where the price really is.

Well nobrot you are right, it is all about choice and nobody forces one out of your money but the fact that you approve of  shafting people is to say the least disguisting and if that is the way you do business, then God help your clients. There was this liitle thing called "moral values" which is something a few people clearly don't have anymore, business is business everyone understands that but there is a limit to all things.

Good luck, I hope you get far in life.

Crikey !! Someone must at sometime really rattled your cage....I have moral values and standards and have survived a long time in business because of that.Ask anyone who knows me.You are not qualified to accuse me of approving to 'shafting' people,you do not know me.The reality is we do not live in Nirvana and we need our wits about us in everyday life.It's obvious and not difficult to understand.

Just a bit touchy aren't we Farway.  In my business I charge what the market says is the right price and I approach the people who I assess will give me the best return for my time and effort. It is called capitalism or just plain old business. Why are cars in Britain sold at a much higher price than in Europe, because the "fools' will pay it. Did you never buy a car in England? If you did then you were probably happy to pay that price because you knew no better. It is not a question of morality or ethics but ignorance on the part of the buyer.Learn the language, mix and converse with the locals and your local knowledge will increase substantially. The majority of locals that I know will bend over backwards to help and point you in the right direction.
And knowing Mr Nobrot personally - he already has got quite far in life.
Good Day to you :)

Blimey! I didn't expect this to become so acrimonious. Nobrot isn't the crook here, he's the realist. I don't see anywhere his 'approval of shafting'.

We have come here from a country that puts a price tag on everything and mollycoddles the consumer. It is your own responsibility to ensure you don't get screwed. I never buy anything without getting at least one other price. For example, I had two central heating quotes - the first from a highly recommended plumber was 14000 euros. The second from the yellow pages was 6000 euros (and he eventually reduced it to 5500 euros). Which do you go for? At the end of the day a plumber is a plumber,  a brick is a brick and a cabbage is a cabbage.

Shop around. If you expect good value to be handed to you on a plate then you're a fool and you'll always see the rest of the world as thieves. Value is relative and without a comparison you cannot know whether it's good or bad.

More to the point, where is Paulo to support his comments?

I also know nobrot. I can vouch he has hasnt got very far in life. He lives about 400 metres from where he was born.

Let me try and explain. Business is business, we all agree but trying to take mick is moraly wrong. When I read that someone says business is business (in the current context), I see someone that has no problem "taking" exessively high amounts of profit's nearly the same as me saying"bloody hell lad's, I managed to give a blind guy only half his change today, what a great day for business!!" (Very exagirated statement I know) Some people call it business, I call it shafting, nearly the same as making the statement I like blokes but getting my knickers in a knot when someone calls me homosexual.

That is it, like it or not but  I stick with what I said.

I'm Sorry,I can't help it.I'm having issues again with the words 'shafting' and 'homosexual' in the same sentence.

Rotnob, is there something you want to tell us?? Maybe you should get it off your chest!!

well done all, most entertaining thread on here in months.. cheers

wrote on Jul 4^th, 2007 at 4:03pm:

Rotnob, is there something you want to tell us?? Maybe you should get it off your chest!!

Look, how one man chooses to pay for his borehole is a matter between himself and "the sailors down the docks" . . . .and anyway, it was faraway who admitted at the start of all this to "most of us are walking funny"    ;)

Hi all

for anyone that wants to apply for borehole permission his/herself, the Generalitat website explains the procedure in English at http://mediambient.gencat.net/aca/en//tramitacions/sollicituds/model_H0345.jsp

There is a sample request form (in Catalan), information and a list of documentation required.

The Generalitat website is huge and English language content is added continuously. If you have trouble finding what you want, call the helpline on 012. In my experience they are extremely helpful and you can ask for an English-speaking operator.

AgentX

Only just read all the shafting and knobrotting etc, splendid stuff - sorry my previous post is so dull and factual...

Always thought the Old Nelson was a gay pub in Bournemouth.

AgentX

If you came from the right place in England you would recognise that Nelson had his hand on his chest not his trousers and Agentx is used for unblocking drains and  with respect possibly back passages which brings us back to shafting???

So in summary then,ground water exploitation and proctology are more or less the same thing...!!!

Am I to presume that the common denominator must be the shaft ??

I think the common denominator is that you only get what you pay for!!!
Where's that roundabout again Nobrot? ::)

Yes,I think we've run this subject into the ground.

Is it far to the roundabout?

The ROUNDABOUT in question,as if you didn't know,is just by Reus airport.Steve,they are now working in pairs out of the back of a Peugeot estate........I'll pass on my regards for you on monday.
( I'll be flying in,not driving past you understand)