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Message started by follygg on Dec 14th, 2007 at 9:41pm

Title: Towing caravans
Post by follygg on Dec 14th, 2007 at 9:41pm
Hi

Are there any laws re towing caravansie size of caravan paperwork etc.

Im looking to buy one in the area and move it (obviously) to my land.Is it best to get all in order or take take

a chance  and move it when the sun goes down.

there are more than one question there but i suddenly found myself totally bereft of any knowledge on the

subject.

Folly

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by Pondgirl on Dec 14th, 2007 at 10:50pm
What would you do in the UK?  Have you asked the Policia?  Do you really imagine that people on this forum are going to encourage you to break the law???

Sorry if that sounds a bit harsh, but really!

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by follygg on Dec 14th, 2007 at 10:58pm
Hi Pondgirl

Yes you are quite correct that was a bit harsh .

Folly

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by old nelson on Dec 14th, 2007 at 11:10pm
Folly, what have we got here? Only Pikey's move in under the Stars!!
Those helecopters that fly around the area will soon "suss" you out and then what will you do and where will you park it??

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by follygg on Dec 15th, 2007 at 12:52am
Hi Old Nelson

This has all got a bit askew.

All i want to know are :  What are the regs on moving a caravan.

Folly

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by William of Orange on Dec 15th, 2007 at 12:02pm
Few more details might encourage a positive reply, like Caravan Size 26 x 10 or 32 x 12  (feet) or is it a tourer !

If a tourer I imagine similar rules as Uk

If a static 10 ft wide then a haulage firm with a flat bed will be required
If a static 12 wide or a 10 ft wide over a certain length think 30ft then escorts are required (steady Nobrot) for the lorry!
The haulage company will be able to advise on permits which will be needed for the escorted loads.
All the above is my best guess personal opinion, not legally binding and Ive also taken the 5th ! ;D

Try Ebro Caravans hes just moved 2 x 28 ft x 10ft for some one local. Remember statics cant be towed legally on their own, wheels
Love the forum more Police Departments than Scotland Yard, The Food Police , Now Traffic Dept, great stuff ! ::)

   

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by Pondgirl on Dec 15th, 2007 at 2:53pm
You're right William I should have encouraged fgg to break the law.  Much more sensible than googling, which I did, and found out loads of information on my first hit.

Even you can only guess, wouldn't it be better to actually ask the people who administer the law?

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by William of Orange on Dec 15th, 2007 at 6:28pm
Up to now, I'm the only one to giving him Practical advice, if you can't speak Spanish or Catalan asking the boys in blue or green will be difficult, or impossible  my suggestion was to try a local English Haulage Company which specalizes in moving caravans located near the Ebro and made him aware that legislation for Escorts are needed for 12ft wide statics and over a certain length  for 10 ft wide statics . At no time did I encourage lawbreaking just positive advice steering fologg (sorry spelling) in the right direction which is what he post requested.  So a simple telephone call to Ebro Caravans will get him all the answers he needs. HTH follyoog. If he then chooses the legal route or the midnight sortie on a cloudy night the choice will still be his. Maybe we need a CPO and the CPS to join our squad list. Any suggestions for a Divisional Commander or maybe a volunteer  ;)

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by Nobrot the Great on Dec 15th, 2007 at 7:40pm
Pondgirl,why get all nasty about a straight forward,simple question,if you had the info by simply googling,why not share it with the people concerned.I'm sure someone would return the favour when needed.

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by Pondgirl on Dec 15th, 2007 at 9:18pm
Sorry if you think stating the bleedin' obvious, ie suggesting asking the people who know best is nasty, you must lead a very sheltered life.  As for the comments about moving a caravan illegally, so many people on here and other forums have fallen foul of the law through ignorance or the sheer stupidity of thinking they can get away with it I should have thought it was glaringly obvious that you shouldn't do it.  If as William suggestes fgg doesn't speak either Spanish or Catalan then being pulled over by the Mossos in the middle of the night would be a seriously traumatic experience

I didn't 'google' until after William made his post so there wasn't any point in me saying anything further.  But it took less time than it would have taken to make the original post.

Fgg, if you need english spoken advice you could ask the AA or RAC in the UK as I'm sure they have many clients who caravan in Spain.

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by jools on Dec 16th, 2007 at 12:47am
Hi Nobrot,
My sentiments entirely, i have watched the forum over the last few weeks, and where questions have been asked from new comers, normally very helpful answers or suggestions were always offered.

Suddenly, there seems to be a sarcastic or "i know it all kind of attitude"  and dont ask such stupid questions.

We all started as "rookies", and were completely oblivious to Spanish/Catalan regulations, which still baffle me sometimes, even though my business partner is Catalan.

Can we not return to giving helpful advise and suggestions, after all, isn't that the reason why most people joined the forum in the first place.

It doesn't have to be a battle ground of sarcasm.

If someone wants to post a new English shop offering tastes of the UK, so be it, I'm sure it helped many people.

If somebody prefers to Speak "Castellano" in stead of Catalan, so be it. It is actually the national language of Spain in general, not as previously mentioned a second language, the autonomous languages are second languages.

If somebody wants to ask the Police/ Mossos d'Esquadra / Guardia Civil a question, more often than not, someone speaks reasonable English in the larger Police stations, and they are more than happy to help you.

Unfortunately, UK national motoring organisations like the AA or RAC are not always up to date with new legislation here, so, if anyone needs to know something, please just ask, and i am sure someone on here can help you with an experience of their own, or they can suggest where to ask in Spain.

Can we just get back to doing what we do best.................have a laugh and a giggle with silly things, but to help and advise new comers on the more important issues, even if the question has been asked before, and cut the bl***y sarcasm.

Happy Christmas everyone.

 

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by William of Orange on Dec 16th, 2007 at 1:14am
Im a member of several different forums,around the world, mainly renewable energy related and the tone is much more relaxed on all of them most of the time  , with many many more members than TF. They have moderators who are there for the occasional difference of opinions, spammers, but they mainly post as other would be interested parties.

I regularly post technical questions when

A. I think I know the answer but require more learned members to confirm my opinion, or offer different solutions.
B. Ive researched the internet got opinions from the WWW but still seek clarification. The web is not perfect
C. Hoping some one has had a similar question or problem and has a good or unique solution.
D. Sometimes my brain hurts and I think Ill let somebody else do the thinking for me.

Follyogg (get it right one day) could easily fall into one of the above .  I'm sure he knows how to use search engines and doesn't require a lecture  >:(from the Internet Police, ...............................damm another Squad, ..................Nigel can you afford this latest pay rise with your Constabulary getting bigger by the day  ;D
 
One of the larger forums has a newbie section and the post do get repetitive over time like, how many solar panels do I need? But there is always someone willing to help guide . Even when throw away comments are made usually just flippant they are guided back with sound advice. usually with  a hyperlink to good practice and even links to show what happens with poor practice.  

Ive said it b4 and Ill say it again, slightly different, if youve got nothing positive to add or help just dont bother typing.

The WWW is full of good sound information but also full of not so good or downright misleading information. It is not perfect.  Time to chill, and pour a cold one  :)
PS I doubt Nobrot has lived anything but a very lively and colourful life, you dont get a name like that just playing on Nintendo eh !
PPS. Nobody plans a crime thinking there going to get caught, cr?p planning wrong place wrong time is usually the bottom line !

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by William of Orange on Dec 16th, 2007 at 1:36am
Follygg,  (got it right at last ) The last guy who moved with out permits in the middle of the night got more that he bargained for. However the ROOT problem with this piccy lies with the tree it self.  Officer it just jumped in front of me hic,hic, burp.......cos all pikeys drive sloshed by moonlight

A nice way to say not a good idea  ;D

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by jools on Dec 16th, 2007 at 1:52am
Hi William,

Well said, i agree with everything you have pointed out.

I too am a member of many forums from Barcelona to Malaga, at the end of the day we are all living in the same country, and i like to see other peoples opinions, whether they are right or wrong.  Hey, we are foreigners/immigrants or whatever most people dont like in the UK, (what is the opinion of those in the UK?) and if it helps just one person to integrate here, then, job well done as far i am concerned.

Carry on William, i will visit the shopping centre in Benicarlo one day, when i get the time, without you i would never have known about it, even though someone pointed out that you dont live in Tortosa.............neither do I, or many other people on this forum.

Keep on broadening our minds with your wisdom on alternative energy methods, even though personally i dont need them myself, i certainly dont begrudge anyone else learning a thing or two. I have actually told friends on fincas to look at your posts.

What really makes me mad is people who think they know everything about this area, but really haven't been here very long at all, .............oh, do they have a lot to learn. They haven't hit the so called 3 year brick wall yet.............................let's wait and see.

Jools


Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by Pondgirl on Dec 16th, 2007 at 11:07am

wrote on Dec 16th, 2007 at 12:47am:
Hi Nobrot,
My sentiments entirely, i have watched the forum over the last few weeks, and where questions have been asked from new comers, normally very helpful answers or suggestions were always offered.

Suddenly, there seems to be a sarcastic or "i know it all kind of attitude"  and dont ask such stupid questions.

We all started as "rookies", and were completely oblivious to Spanish/Catalan regulations, which still baffle me sometimes, even though my business partner is Catalan.

Can we not return to giving helpful advise and suggestions, after all, isn't that the reason why most people joined the forum in the first place.

It doesn't have to be a battle ground of sarcasm.

If someone wants to post a new English shop offering tastes of the UK, so be it, I'm sure it helped many people.

If somebody prefers to Speak "Castellano" in stead of Catalan, so be it. It is actually the national language of Spain in general, not as previously mentioned a second language, the autonomous languages are second languages.

If somebody wants to ask the Police/ Mossos d'Esquadra / Guardia Civil a question, more often than not, someone speaks reasonable English in the larger Police stations, and they are more than happy to help you.

Unfortunately, UK national motoring organisations like the AA or RAC are not always up to date with new legislation here, so, if anyone needs to know something, please just ask, and i am sure someone on here can help you with an experience of their own, or they can suggest where to ask in Spain.

Can we just get back to doing what we do best.................have a laugh and a giggle with silly things, but to help and advise new comers on the more important issues, even if the question has been asked before, and cut the bl***y sarcasm.

Happy Christmas everyone.

 


I should imagine that the threads that you are referring to are this one and the one about the new Eroski in Benicarlo.  I'll get onto the language one in a minute.

I don't know whether you are aware (I'm sure you are) but English people over here are getting quite a bad reputation for illegal building and generally ripping people off and you yourself made comments only the other day about the rancid state of many of the GB plated cars at Reus and the trouble people could get into if driving them.  Okay, I admit I could have been more helpful to Fgg but I'm sorry, asking on a public forum if it would just be better to flout the law is irresponsible, if not stupid.  And I was serious about asking for advice at the police station, again as you said, they do often have English speaking staff and in our experience have always been helpful.

When William posted his thread about the new Eroski store I made the comment that I didn't miss the foodstuffs that he mentioned other than Branston Pickle.  I was in no way sarcastic.  I have very strong views about 'food miles' and I do question the necessity to do, what for a lot of people on here would be, a 90km round trip to buy food that has already been transported from the UK, especially when most of the items he quoted seem to be available locally.  That is my view and I feel quite a valid one, you are free to disagree.  As you yourself said: "i like to see other peoples opinions, whether they are right or wrong. "  Just so long as they are not mine eh?  ;D

Okay, onto the subject of language speaking.  I have never said that Catalan is better than Castellano, just that learning it has been better for us in our situation.  Anyone who has children in schools here will be aware that everything is taught in Catalan and that Castellano is indeed taught as a 2nd language.  I don't know why you would believe otherwise.  I also had a 'thank you' pm from the member who asked about lessons.  In fact I have quite a few pm's on my inbox thanking me for my help or advice.

As someone whose home will be entirely dependant on solar power, I read any articles on the subject with a great deal of interest and I have no doubt that William will be very helpful if we ever need his advice.

I presume your comment about "people who think they know everything about this area" was aimed at me, there haven't really been any other posters that you have disagreed with so vehemently, so I'll make that leap and apologise for making you  mad.  We've been here less than a year, although we did spend at least twice that long in the planning stages, and we are more than aware of how much we don't know.  That is why we are learning the language and going to official sources for the information that we need.  It didn't stop us coming up with a dry well unfortunately  :( .  As for your wait & see comments....yes let's  8-)

Finally, a very Happy Christmas and a peaceful New Year to all on the Tortosa forum from us both.  And a big thankyou to Nigel for providing the platform from which to leap.

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by follygg on Dec 16th, 2007 at 6:05pm
Hi

Thanks for the positive answers i knew they would arrive eventually.

I am aware of the rules and regs to a usable degree as for statics and also the size of lorry needed and also the escorts and permits required but as i understand it there are laws which are specific for tourers.

i was hoping for quick advice from someone who has had pracical experience of moving tourers in Spain,all my simple question did was open Pandoras box how sad is that.

Folly

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by William of Orange on Dec 16th, 2007 at 6:50pm
Dissapointly sad  :'(

But if we end up with a happier and more productive forum then  :)

I cant help much with tourers as Ive only used one in France.

If you have an English registered legal car and a UK Caravan maybe a vist to the two main UK Caravaning clubs may help. I know that trialers in Spain have to be registered and linked with a specific vehicle and large trailers over a certain weight limit carry a special licence requirement. If thats what is perplexing you ?

You might get a better response if you ask some specific questions . Like I have A and B and I require information in relation to ?

It would save time and stop the generic replies Ive given. as I have no practical tourer expeirence for Spain. Happy Xmas to all !  

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by Pondgirl on Dec 16th, 2007 at 7:00pm
William, as you say tis apsley dissapointly sad.
Fgg, have you asked these questions from the peeps from whom you make the purchase?

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by follygg on Dec 16th, 2007 at 8:32pm
Hi William

Sorry ithought i had been pretty specific.

It is the legality of buying a second hand caravan in Sain. Weight limits ,any license requirements  etc.

Then the legalities required for moving them.

As for finding all info on sites such as Google.Yes thy are great i think we all know that,but as far as i know

they dont list much in the way of actual experiences, and it is these  that offer the  bits of info  that are  so

useful. Hence the need for  forums such as this.

On the subject of the forum : Its only as good as the users and posters make it,we all have a choice

and a subjective view on whether our contributions help to construct or destruct.


Thanks for your post on paraffin heaters ,i looked for your ad but couldnt find it. Back in Uk for Christmas will

try and get hold of you in jan for info on the same.

Folly

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by jools on Dec 16th, 2007 at 9:18pm
Yes, Pondgirl, I am aware about the reputation the Brits have already got, there are postings on here dating back to 2005 about illegal building etc.

I also fully understand that Catalan is taught as the first language here in Catalunya, I have a nine year old Son who has been in the state school system now for more than 3 and a half years. They are also taught Castellano, because even the Government of Catalunya realise that Catalan renders itself useless once you travel across the border, as nobody in the rest of Spain can understand it.

Catalan people are virtually all bi-lingual and speak both languages, although they are very proud of their autonomous language, the majority of them also realise the importance of speaking Castellano, unless they want to limit themselves or their children to permanently live and work in Catalunya.  

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by nicson on Dec 18th, 2007 at 12:09am
Hi Folly. Are you wanting to tow with an British registered car or a Spanish registered car?
If British. Find the weight of the caravan ( on the manufacturers plate, usually on the drawbar)
then check that your vehicle is legal to pull that weight.(if ness send me the weight and vehicle details, I'll check it for you)
I presume your vehicle would be British taxed mot'd and insured (Check ins covers for towing)
Check Caravan club site for hints and tips on touring in Spain.
You should then for all intents and purpose comply as British touring in Spain.

If Spanish. All trailers over a very small weight and with it's own brakes (and all caravans are over this weight and have their own brakes) have to be registered separately. Sadly I dont know the way forward
on that score.
Will the people selling it deliver it for you for a small price?
Hope you get it sorted.

Nicson.

Title: Re: Towing caravans
Post by follygg on Dec 18th, 2007 at 11:08am
Hi Nicson

Thanks for your reply.

It will be a brit reg motor.

I am in two minds , nothing new for me:

Do i bring one over from the uk in which case as you say go with caravan club recs,or

Buy one over here and move it or ask someone else to do it. There lies the rub.

I would prefer to deal private as opposed to dealer as it will be cheaper. To err on the side of safety i have to

assume the seller knows little more than myself and as ignorance holds no water in the eyes of the law---

i guess you know where im going with this.

I would like to find a caravan over 20ft or lets say 6mts. Can this size be moved onroad in Spain?

What about paperwork?Trying to find out from the uk is like trying to get blood out of a stone. Extracting teeth

without an anaesthetic is less painful.

I will plod on as normal and get there eventually.

Again thanks for your help and have a happy Christmas.

Folly

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