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Message started by Vilalba on May 22nd, 2013 at 4:46pm

Title: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Vilalba on May 22nd, 2013 at 4:46pm
Like many brits,we bought our country property 6 years ago not knowing we needed a "cedula"..for at least to enable us to sell it on.Although our property was initially built as an almacen 12 years ago,we have got the original architect plans, mains electricity, and even our padron.So we need to know whats the easiest way to obtain a cedula.I did read a while ago that someone suggested that these were "easy" enough to obtain with "dinero"?? Any suggestions ??

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Ritaratbag on May 22nd, 2013 at 5:04pm
Much easier and quicker to obtain these now?
Most estate agents will be able to give you advice, names and telephone numbers.
Otherwise contact Sergi 666462309. English speaking.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Ernie on May 23rd, 2013 at 5:29pm
Hi,my house was built as an almacen,i had to prove it's constuction was prior to 1984,got it all sorted by xavier rollen in tortosa for 300 euros{english speaking architect}.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Jeff on May 26th, 2013 at 8:11pm
Thanks Ernie

Just to clarify, when you got your cédula it was essential to prove that part of your house existed before 1984. (You may remember that the Catastro's Tarragona office unearthed an old paper map from the 1940's!).

Around the middle of last year the requirements changed though, and it's no longer necessary to prove a rural house is pre-1984 to get a cédula.

That said, if any of you are selling a house on the 'campo' and can prove it is pre-1984, or that there was originally planning permission for a dwelling, it's definitely worth doing.

Jeff

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by ulrika on May 26th, 2013 at 8:33pm
Hello Jeff, everything ok I hope :)

So from last year you don't have to prove it was built before 1984 to get a cedula, what are the requirements to get a cedula now then? What do you have to do and fulfil to get a cedula?

I think I have heard everything from can't be done, to no problems...

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Jeff on May 27th, 2013 at 5:35pm
Hi Ulrika! All good here, thanks  :)

As from the middle of last year and as far as I am aware, buildings now only have to meet minimum habitation standards: total area, room sizes, ventilation, etc. There has to be a kitchen area and a WC/bathroom. The minimums are pretty basic and min. area/room sizes are small.

Hope this helps!

Jeff
(estate agent)

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by ulrika on May 27th, 2013 at 5:43pm
Is there anywhere one can find specifications written down?

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Pondgirl on May 29th, 2013 at 8:02pm
We have been to the 'Habitatge' offices in Tortosa to sort out our Cedula and they have been very helpful.  The offices are very easy to find - opposite side of the roundabout from Sidrería Amets:   http://www10.gencat.cat/sac/AppJava/organisme_fitxa.jsp?codi=14450

They should have the information you need Ulrika but you will have to take a Spanish/Catalan speaker with you if you aren't reasonably fluent.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by briand6868 on May 29th, 2013 at 10:14pm
Evening all, excuse me if I'm being a total mug here but can anyone outline what advantages there are to having a cedula if you are not going to sell and have no intention of ever doing so.
Thanks,
Brian.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Ritaratbag on May 30th, 2013 at 8:14am
I believe that you may be asked to produce a cedula, for instance if your electricity supply is cut, for some reason or other etc.
Also if anything happens to you, won't it make it a bit easier for
your family to deal with things, afterwards.


Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Michael on May 30th, 2013 at 8:46am
'Never say never!'

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by ulrika on May 30th, 2013 at 10:17am
@Pondgirl Catalan will, but haven´t yet, be learnt. And discussing cedulas is, probably, beyond what one can do with sign and bodylanguage.

This "Cedula" is like the unicorn to us, something mythical,  mysterious, and noone seems to know much about it, but much sought after and a lot of people want one.

Could you tell us what the habitatge said about cedulas? Requirements? Har to get? Can be done if you..? Anything?

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Ritaratbag on May 30th, 2013 at 11:41am
When we contacted Sergi, he came out to the house,
looked at paperwork, went on computer, and told us
that we would be able to get one, without any problems.
That was a couple of years ago, when things were more difficult and complicated then.
He helped other friends, who had more complicated issues.
He wasn't charging people if he thought it impossible to get one.
Seems anyone? can get one now and things are so much easier and quicker.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Pondgirl on May 30th, 2013 at 11:50am
We have built a new house in a village and we have to have a cedula because Endesa will not connect us to the domestic electricity supply without one. So I suspect you may be right Rita about not getting re-connected without one.

Brian it is ony costing us €33 to do this and as has been said it means that you have all the documentation in place when the house needs to be sold/inherited in the future.

It's not difficult for us because we have all the required documentation for a new build including the 'obras final' which gives the exact size of the house and each room.

Ulrika, I don't know what is needed for houses other than our brand new one.  You have to be the owner of the property to apply for it though and you can't sell without one.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by briand6868 on May 30th, 2013 at 1:52pm
Hi all, thanks for all that info. we won't be selling cos our hovel in the hills is worth about 30% of what we've paid/spent on it over the past few years but for the sake of not much money it seems like a good move to get one now while things are easier.
Brian. :)

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by ulrika on Aug 24th, 2013 at 10:51am
I need a phone no and/or email address to Sergi.  Or where to find him. Anyone?

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Pondgirl on Aug 24th, 2013 at 12:17pm
Ulrika, rita posted this number up earlier in the thread


Ritaratbag wrote on May 22nd, 2013 at 5:04pm:

Otherwise contact Sergi 666462309. English speaking.

He may well be on holiday like just about everyone else at the moment though.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by ulrika on Aug 24th, 2013 at 1:45pm
Apparantely left my brain in Sweden, so I lost the ability to read. 

Thanks.  :)

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by robo on Aug 24th, 2013 at 2:22pm
we should have ours in a couple weeks the guy from mora has been out and told us no problems we should be able to go and collect it early September all sorted for us by a architect from miravet for 200 euros but it did cost us another 150 as something needed sorting with ginester council over the planning permission

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by lazydaze on Aug 24th, 2013 at 6:38pm
I am sure it will be of interest to anyone who owns a property in Ginestar if you get your cedula for a house. Will this make it a legal house as the Ajuntament in Ginestar say that all habitual buildings built in the campo are illegal. When was your property built and do you have the original permission with the Ajuntament stamp on it. Sorry if I seem negative, I don't mean to just want to make sure you are not throwing money away on useless paperwork. What exactly did the architect say needed sorting out with the Ginestar council over planning permission, it may be an idea for you to visit their offices to find out what the problem is, if you don't speak the language take an independent person with you, if you want the truth not the architect or agent.

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Pondgirl on Aug 25th, 2013 at 1:48pm
It is absolutely essential that you get the documentation sorted out properly with 'Habitatge' and no one else.  Even our architect, who is totally trustworthy, made an omission with the paperwork to begin with because the law changed during the construction of our house.  It didn't cost us any extra except for a phone call and an extra trip into Tortosa.

Title: Re: Cedilla de habitabilidad
Post by robo on Aug 25th, 2013 at 8:00pm
the cedula is coming from mora not ginester the house was built in 2005 all the permissions are in place the thing that was missing was to do with the final write off of the property ( I don't know the specific Spanish term for it ) the architect came recommended has he has done the same for a well known guy on this site but thank you for your concern

Title: Re: Cedula de habitabilidad
Post by Pondgirl on Aug 25th, 2013 at 8:29pm
Obres final probably robo.  I wasn't suggesting that your architect was doing anything wrong, just that the paperwork has to be authorised by the Dept of 'Habitatge' as far as I know.  Endesa wouldn't connect us to the electricity without it.

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