As Victor Meldrew would say " l don't believe it " ::)

Tell me l'm not the only one that thinks the UK is going down the plug-hole.

Immigrant spot checks: Equality watchdog investigatesImmigration raids on 1 August 2013 Immigration enforcement officers arrested 139 suspected illegal immigrants on Thursday

Immigration spot checks at railway stations across the country are to be investigated by the equality watchdog for possible unlawful discrimination.

This follows reported complaints that the checks, carried out on Thursday, targeted people based on ethnicity.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission said it would examine the powers used and their "justification".

Immigration Minister Mark Harper denied the checks used racial profiling. He said they were based on intelligence.

A spokesman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) said it would also "ask questions about the extent to which the Home Office complied with its public sector equality duty" when vans were sent around London encouraging illegal immigrants to "go home".

As well as the spot checks at transport hubs, there were raids on workplaces on Thursday.

A Home Office spokesman said there were a total of 160 arrests, 21 of which were at stations in London.

The other 139 suspected illegal immigrants and rogue employers were arrested at locations across the country including London, Durham, Manchester, Wales and Somerset.

'Reasonable suspicion'

The Home Office said there had been 228 immigration street operations since 2008 and there were 9,000 arrests in the past year for suspected immigration abuse.

An EHRC spokesman said it was writing to the Home Office about the checks at transport hubs.

He said the EHRC "will be examining the powers used and the justification for them, in order to assess whether unlawful discrimination took place".

If the UKBA are stopping people because of their ethnicity (that actually means colour) then the UK really is going down the plughole.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JlBXQhg5ohU/UfTxn9hGC_I/AAAAAAAAC7c/p5SSWL4Uo_c/s640/tory+racism+london+leaf+1964.jpg

I must be missing something here,seems pretty obvious to me. I used to get stopped and searched going into football grounds because I was wearing my teams colours.Skin colour and facial features would seem a pretty good starting point in my book.How or where  else would the police/border agencies start.Perhaps you would rather ask them to come forward at their own convenience......

Being non-white is not grounds for believing someone is an illegal immigrant.

Quite agree, but it's bloody good start.

Both the Lab and Tories are frightened to put there heads above the parapet to point us in the right direction.
Lets get rid of all the "jobs-worth, do-gooders and PC brigade". Most of it comes from Brussels anyway.
Lets start calling  spade a spade. All this c**p about so-called Human rights
No one has any Human rights until they can demonstrate to the community that they deserve  them. Likewise benefits should be earned and not expected as a given right.
Many people think the UK is one of the most tolerant societies in the world. Welcoming more than it's fair share of the worlds displaced citizens. 
l would say it is lacking in moral fibre >:(

ln order to live harmoniously with each other ,we must have laws and rules that everyone must abide by. lf not you forfeit your right to live in a society that is governed by them, and by sent back to where you come from, without intervention from Brussels.

lf we let the lunatics run the asylum we are failing in out duty to the next generation.  :(

Yours  Billy-no-mates,
And this is before l have a drink. ::)
( don't mention your name Pike) ;)

Bob,calm down....it's not just the UK that has this problem.Most of the European countries do.

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I don't even know what he's talking about.   "Lets get rid of all the "jobs-worth, do-gooders and PC brigade"  and do what? 

"No one has any Human rights until they can demonstrate to the community that they deserve  them. Likewise benefits should be earned and not expected as a given right."
Meaningless hysteria.  How do you 'demonstrate to the community that you deserve Human Rights'?  By being white? By being a native of that country?

Why bring the question of benefits into a subject about illegal immigrants?  They cannot claim anything because of their illegality.

You seem to be conflating illegal immigrants with legal immigrants, they aren't the same thing at all.

I meant to add, I do of course believe that anyone who is another country illegally should be returned to their country of origin.

As an immigrant in this country, which I have chosen to live in, for a better life, how could I even attempt at commentating on someone else wishing to do the same.
Passports and visas are a relatively new condition to travelling. The various politicians who passed the immigration laws are the ones who suddenly made it illegal to travel a world that we all live in and fundamentally have a right to live anywhere in it.
"illegal" immigrants do not claim dole or other monetary gains and invariably live in squalor and work for peanuts, doing jobs that the 'indigenous' people won't do.

Well said Cactus Jack!

Can I bring in to this, all the immigrants legal or not ,who move to various countries and do not want to conform with that countries rules, and laws, and actually hate and despise the residents of that country to the extent of terrorism.
This is happening here in the UK, like it or not  "FACT"
I totally agree with Jack,that as humans, we should all be free to move to wherever we want, but there does need to be correct control,s of who is allowed in and who is not.

Anyone who commits an act of terrorism whether they are indigenous or an immigrant should be prosecuted.  They aren't always carried out by immigrants though.  I believe the guys who killed Lee Rigby were born in the UK

"I totally agree with Jack,that as humans, we should all be free to move to wherever we want, but there does need to be correct control,s of who is allowed in and who is not."
That is a complete contradiction, but I would agree that in practical terms there need to be border controls.  Mind you, the British themselves when building their Empire were no respecters of borders or the wishes and customs of the indigenous populations.

Seconds away round 3   ;D

It's not " meaningless hysteria" Pondgirl. You demonstrate your Human Rights by obaying the Laws of the Land.
I will explain to you about  "Lets get rid of all the "jobs-worth, do-gooders and PC brigade"  and do what. Well for one thing we start using more common-sense.















Quite agree with Pondgirl" The UK is going down the plug hole.

Who brought the question of Colour into this discussion. ::)

Google interpretation of Ethnicity means where your Heritage, doesn't mention colour.

G*D forbid someone brings Religion in to it !

Legal or illegal, they all get hand-outs. ;)

wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:13am:

Anyone who commits an act of terrorism whether they are indigenous or an immigrant should be prosecuted.  They aren't always carried out by immigrants though.  I believe the guys who killed Lee Rigby were born in the UK "I totally agree with Jack,that as humans, we should all be free to move to wherever we want, but there does need to be correct control,s of who is allowed in and who is not." That is a complete contradiction, but I would agree that in practical terms there need to be border controls.  Mind you, the British themselves when building their Empire were no respecters of borders or the wishes and customs of the indigenous populations.

But thankfully made them a better country for which most were extremely grateful.We can thank the Victorians,William Sheakespere,the armed forces and the British judicial system for that.

It's another big subject Nob but really, better for who?  Do you honestly think that the aboriginals of North America and Australasia (for instance) have a better life now than they did before they were 'converted'?  What do they have to be grateful for?  I accept that it is the survival of the fittest (most ruthless, wealthiest, strongest), it appears to be part of human nature, but please don't try to make out that colonosing lands where others are already living is somehow noble.

Really Pondgirl, Granted the Aborigines of Australia have had an horrendous time, so have the Indians of North America. But you can't tell me the peoples of Africa are better off now than when they were colonialized by the Europeans.

You have seen nothing yet! UK furthers its ethnic diversity with the admission of this oppressed minority from January and they will all be legally in the country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383855/How-Roma-invasion-sparked-rise-Frances-racist-Right.html ;      :)

JUST LIKE TO CHANGE TACK.


I THINK THIS MAN HAS IT ALL COVERED.  I COULDN'T SPOT ANYTHING HE LEFT OUT.

      
"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare.  I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man.  I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I  believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others.  I believe in British products and buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and not to some governmental functionary, to share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a  capitalist; it makes you a smart Brit.  I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to anything.  Get over it.  Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you should do it in English.  I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Winston Churchill  and I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

      
I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes.     I don't pity the  poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

      
I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....We like it the way it is and even  more so the way it was...so stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!   If you were born or legally migrated here and don't like it... you are free to move to any Socialist  country that will have you.  I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the House of Commons, the seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know  where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, and why are they always part of the problem and not the solution?
Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.     And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence.  I think it's good....


I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause....Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown anywhere in the United Kingdom !

If this makes me a BAD Brit, then yes, I'm a BAD Brit.  If you are a BAD Brit too, please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back!   My Country.....

      I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War.  My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2.  I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm.  Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq .   None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag.  Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole.  British students took it down. Guess who was expelled...the students who took it down.

West London high school students were sent home, because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on??   What idiots do we have in authority??   Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; and every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough.  I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to make this a racist message.  IT IS NOT !

Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally:

Hi guys,

I've been thinking about how to respond to some of the posts on this thread in a polite and civil manner, but as each message becomes ever more hysterical and irrational, I think I'll say just this.

I lived for 55 years as a not white mixed race male in Britain. I served 25 years in the London Fire Brigade before resigning. I no longer live in the UK because of the hateful language that was screamed into my face on an almost weekly basis. Mostly by people expressing the same views as some of the posters on this thread. I genuinely wish some of you could live in Britain as a none white  to experience what it is like to be regarded as an immigrant in the UK, you would then be able to contrast it with life here as an immigrant, no comparison! believe me.

Enjoy the rest of your week.

Regards John

PS Pondgirl, you should call yourself flintygirl, (top girl anyway! ;))

Just to fan the flames a little more I think immigration is a good thing after all every member on this forum is technically an immigrant much the same as the ole US of A.
The country was built by immigrants and it suited.
Last month I was at my eldest daughter graduation at Huddersfield Uni,24,000 students from 130 different countries.And you could tell........Some will leave and take their education back to their homeland but will always have been educated in the UK.Good for British trade and industry.The rest may stay and put their education to good use in the UK,again good for trade and industry.So yes immigration is good but it needs to be managed.The yanks do it well and so do the Aussies but it was the immigrants that made these countries.Well except Australia,they were just sheep rustlers.... ;)

bienvenido a espana.
It is good to read how important it is as an immigrant to accept the rules and customs of the country you have chosen to live in.I hope sincerely that those who think like that also practice what they preach.when you choose Spain as the country to live in,the least you can do is learn the language
(I can just see the reaction of an englishman in England when a foreigner p.e. from Mali starts shouting to him in the man's native language and waving his arms etc.he probably would think it was a lunatic trying to talk to him)
Apart from that having chosen this country one accepts its customs as well and when in Rome do as the Romans.
Maybe something tothink about before criticizing others.

Just food for thought.

Sorry to disillusion you ski bob, but the whole of that 'letter' has been debunked. The flagpole bit is utter rubbish.
See. 
http://www.hoax-slayer.com/bob-katter-labor-party-worst-nightmare.shtml

It doesn't reflect my own point of view that its one world one people. We all hurt and we all want a decent life

wrote on Aug 6^th, 2013 at 7:00pm:

Really Pondgirl, Granted the Aborigines of Australia have had an horrendous time, so have the Indians of North America. But you can't tell me the peoples of Africa are better off now than when they were colonialized by the Europeans.

So you don't have a problem with the British moving abroad and changing other countries you just don't want it happening in 'yours'. 

If you change the name of the country in the jingoistic rant that you C&P'd above, to any of the countries that Britain colonised and sent Christian Missionaries to I expect the same would apply.

I must admit my irony meter nearly burst when I read:

"I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you should do it in English.  I believe there should be no other language option."

Really??  And when in Catalunya or Spain I hope that you don't speak anything other than  Catalan or Castillian, because if you did or if you expected any help in English that would be hypocritical, wouldn't it?

"If you are a BAD Brit too, please forward this to everyone you know...."

If anyone sent this to me I would forward it...straight to the trash.

Thanks jack for putting me straight.

Did l say l agreed with the thread Pondgirl. Don't jump to conclusions. You put that awful poster up!!

jaBB, why is it we can't have a discussion about immigration without the colour question coming up. l have a small comprehension of what  racial  aggression is like, having been in NI in the 70's with little 6-7 year old children spitting at me and telling me to go home.
Like you I have left the UK because I could tolerate the small mindedness of the racialst bigots, jobs-worth, do-gooders.

wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:00am:

Thanks jack for putting me straight. Did l say l agreed with the thread Pondgirl. Don't jump to conclusions. You put that awful poster up!! jaBB, why is it we can't have a discussion about immigration without the colour question coming up. l have a small comprehension of what  racial  aggression is like, having been in NI in the 70's with little 6-7 year old children spitting at me and telling me to go home. Like you I have left the UK because I could tolerate the small mindedness of the racialst bigots, jobs-worth, do-gooders.

Erm, if you didn't agree with the e-mail or whatever it was that you posted why does it say at the beginning:

"JUST LIKE TO CHANGE TACK.


I THINK THIS MAN HAS IT ALL COVERED.  I COULDN'T SPOT ANYTHING HE LEFT OUT." ?

The reason that colour comes into it is because the original story is about the possibility of officers from UKBA stopping people because of their ethnicity.  What do you think they all had in common?  Stopping people on suspicion that they are illegal immigrants on the basis of their colour is racist, whether you like it or not.  Your opening views were that the UK is going down the plughole because people were very concerned about this.

That poster that I put up is a genuine Conservative Party election poster from the 1960's.  There are plenty of people of all races and colours that remember the terrible racism of those times, I certainly do, and don't want to see a return to them.  They are afraid that this is what will happen if it becomes 'okay' to stop people because of their colour.  I guess these are the do-gooders or busybodies that you were complaining about.

I love it when people play the 'Rascist' card.It;s the in thing nowadays since everybody got all PC. The fact is skin colour and facial features set people apart so really it's the only thing people have to go on when looking for a certain section of society,like it or not it happens whether it is deemed racist or not.If,for example, there was a terrorist alert regarding,lets say,Somali individuals where would you start,blond,blue eyed caucasians flying in from Finland.No you wouldn't so it is deemed rascist that you look for dark skinned,brown eyed people with Afro middle eastern features,usually by those who for some reason have an agenda.It really is common sense.
I myself would rather be called a racist and have our borders protected properly than bow down to the PC brigade and have the UKBA spend time and resources tracking them down once they are in and firmly ensconsed in mainland UK.

Seconds away round 4!    :-/

wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 1:52pm:

I love it when people play the 'Rascist' card.It;s the in thing nowadays since everybody got all PC. The fact is skin colour and facial features set people apart so really it's the only thing people have to go on when looking for a certain section of society,like it or not it happens whether it is deemed racist or not.If,for example, there was a terrorist alert regarding,lets say,Somali individuals where would you start,blond,blue eyed caucasians flying in from Finland.No you wouldn't so it is deemed rascist that you look for dark skinned,brown eyed people with Afro middle eastern features,usually by those who for some reason have an agenda.It really is common sense. I myself would rather be called a racist and have our borders protected properly than bow down to the PC brigade and have the UKBA spend time and resources tracking them down once they are in and firmly ensconsed in mainland UK.

It isn't because of political correctness that I despise racism and I'm not 'playing the racist card' like it's some sort of a game.

Do you remember the racist policeman sketch in 'Not the Nine o'Clock News' where the officer was reprimanded for arresting someone for having 'big, rubbery lips and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area'?  It was supposed to be funny, not a recommended way to behave.

I agree that it wold be much better that UKBA actually protected the borders properly in the first place.  The courts should also be much harsher on employers who take on illegal immigrants and exploit them. 

wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 2:56pm:

wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:52pm: I love it when people play the 'Rascist' card.It;s the in thing nowadays since everybody got all PC. The fact is skin colour and facial features set people apart so really it's the only thing people have to go on when looking for a certain section of society,like it or not it happens whether it is deemed racist or not.If,for example, there was a terrorist alert regarding,lets say,Somali individuals where would you start,blond,blue eyed caucasians flying in from Finland.No you wouldn't so it is deemed rascist that you look for dark skinned,brown eyed people with Afro middle eastern features,usually by those who for some reason have an agenda.It really is common sense. I myself would rather be called a racist and have our borders protected properly than bow down to the PC brigade and have the UKBA spend time and resources tracking them down once they are in and firmly ensconsed in mainland UK. It isn't because of political correctness that I despise racism and I'm not 'playing the racist card' like it's some sort of a game. Do you remember the racist policeman sketch in 'Not the Nine o'Clock News' where the officer was reprimanded for arresting someone for having 'big, rubbery lips and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area'?  It was supposed to be funny, not a recommended way to behave. I agree that it wold be much better that UKBA actually protected the borders properly in the first place.  The courts should also be much harsher on employers who take on illegal immigrants and exploit them.

Dont forget the offensive haircut....


Just how exactly would you have UKBA protect our borders properly in the first place when all and sundry are screaming racist because they have stopped and searched a coloured gentleman,or a woman in a burqa or a bloke that just,to the trained eye,looks dodgy.


They are,a £10,000  fine per person but they still get in.

i haven't a problem with any race or colour but i do think the uk should not let in people if thay have no job to go to or the means to look after themselves. we came over here knowing we had money to buy a property and money in the bank and money  to live on .lots of people go to the uk for free handouts its about time all of that was put an end to . i bet if we who were born in the uk and our ancestors go back over 100s of years went back we would be told to (to put it politely ) go away.
to be able to get into new zealand /australia to live and work you have to have a good job to go to and checks are carried out to see if you haven't any criminal records

'big, rubbery lips and wearing a loud shirt in a built up area'?

That was Mick Jaeger of the Rollin Stones

wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 3:29pm:

Just how exactly would you have UKBA protect our borders properly in the first place when all and sundry are screaming racist because they have stopped and searched a coloured gentleman,or a woman in a burqa or a bloke that just,to the trained eye,looks dodgy. They are,a £10,000  fine per person but they still get in.

I seriously doubt that most illegal immigrants come in through legitimate channels and walk through immigration control.  The borders need to be more secure to begin with. 

I read the other day that only 20% of the fines handed out to businesses employing illegal immigrants have been collected.  Considering the huge profits to be made from employing people with absolutely no rights I would imagine that the low odds of having to pay a fine, if you do get caught, is a financially calculated risk plenty would be willing to take.  The penalties for employing illegal immigrants should be much harsher.  There should be prison sentences and assets stripped at the very least.

I totally agree with you. Pondgirl!!!

One of the reasons why the prison sentencing does not fit the crime. and assets are not seized is because there are too many do-gooder and PC people in the UK.  They are creating obstacles and raising time -wasting frivolous interventions, that the authorities  are bound by law to investigate. ::)

I personally think that prison should only be for violent crimes None violent criminals  should wear pink overalls and made to sweep the streets, but because of the PC brigade, who say it infringes their "Human Rights". These persons are banged up with violent criminals, and so the cycle is perpetuated. But that's another thread. ;)

As the forums delegate just returned from Bongo Bongo land doing good works a now failed catholic but trainee muslim preacher with a strong leaning towards Budha together with my trusty sidekick a one eyed limping lesbian I would like to point out that I agree with everything everyone said so far. Except :
1. That all natives in Spain should speak english, then they could open fish and chip shops for us.
2. Ethnic minorities should only be tax collectors and other government officials collecting money, so we can all hate them together.
3. Finally, the UK borders should be closed to anyone flying Ryanair.
Yours an ethnic minority Bulldog.

Bulldog wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

3. Finally, the UK borders should be closed to anyone flying Ryanair. Yours an ethnic minority Bulldog.

I fly back with ryanair, I can't agree with this!!!

Oh wait a minute, does this mean I never can go back to the yUK again???

Ok I'm with the dog, (and the lesbian if I really have to)

My life and dreams are complete  8-)

reading all the reactions I wonder if ,when checking at the border the colour was ignored but they would concentrate on where the person came from, we might discover (not discriminating) that people from certain east european( blond ,blue eyed) are bringing in much more problems,crime and sickening situations then these ""so obvious"" bad people who you are talking about. Have you any idea of the percentage of the total number of ""coloured people"" who are in any way involved in criminal activities? or is it just the fact that one is coloured that colours your view?
95% of those so coloured brits are law abiding hardworking people. how long do they have to prove that? Since the 1950th they have been suffering the British idea of who yes ,who no.it is time that one is not longer judged by his exterior but by people who are capable to look a little further.and learn to realise that there are a lot of blue eyes capable of very bad crimes.I have to agree with pondsgirl that the advert from the 1960th was normal those days.DSo you really want to go back to that situation or have you learned something in the meantime?

Bulldog wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

together with my trusty sidekick a one eyed limping lesbian

As a one eyed limping heterosexual I nearly resemble that remark  8-)

Hi Guys

"Couldn't happen in the UK"

I have to report the removal of one undesirable today, from my study.

The interloper migrated into the house without  appropriate permission, and once spotted was quickly identified as an illegal and apprehended.

Having ascertained his skin colour and physical appearance, I was able to confirm via Wikipedia he was in fact a male tarantula. A thorough but careful search of the whole house (twice in fact) confirmed no females were present. (God knows we don't want them breeding amongst us.)

I don't mind them being in the country but I don't want to live next to them  and will not have them in the house! Not that I've got anything against toxic creepy crawly things you understand.

You will all be pleased to know that having donned thick leather gloves, I picked him up and deported him further down the finca unharmed.

Remember don't feed the trolls.

regards John

"finding a tarantula""
how nice that one can find a tarantula in spain!!
not your normal situation,but luckily got rid of it.
It would have been a lot better if one had discovered that their neighbour was a very understanding and educated
immigrant from the dominican republic non need to get rid of him,although....... not blue eyed and white skinned and with wife and children yet he speaks fluent spanish and is willing to help his nextdoor immigrant,why not : we are all in this world to understand each other and try to have a good life.
Or maybe I did not understand the little fable.

When l went to the USA. Talking the the non whites, I was surprised in that they did not have chips in their shoulders, not some Europeans.
Why, in some peoples eyes, are immigrants portrayed  as Black People. The world is made up of ALL coulors
Get your blinkers off.

Hi,   Hivi

Err... no fable, I literally found a tarantula in my study. A Lycosa tarantula. See picture. The post was meant to be ironic!

Regards John

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God is this topic still going on !!!!!!! ;) and who,s got there blinkers on ?
I have nothing against the polish people ,but there absolutely everywhere in the UK, shame for them there food is so bland, or there would be a Polish takeaway on every corner LOL !!!  I cannot say I am a great fan of the Romanian Gypsies though, will wait and see what happens if the predicted mass immigration  of them to the UK  does come off, they seem a really bad lot.

philmountains wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

God is this topic still going on !!!!!!! ;) and who,s got there blinkers on ? I have nothing against the polish people ,but there absolutely everywhere in the UK, shame for them there food is so bland, or there would be a Polish takeaway on every corner LOL !!!  I cannot say I am a great fan of the Romanian Gypsies though, will wait and see what happens if the predicted mass immigration  of them to the UK  does come off, they seem a really bad lot.

Dont be so Gypsyist,I'd let them in any day

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wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

When l went to the USA. Talking the the non whites, I was surprised in that they did not have chips in their shoulders, not some Europeans. Why, in some peoples eyes, are immigrants portrayed  as Black People. The world is made up of ALL coulors Get your blinkers off.

I don't know who you are referring to here.  I don't think anyone was suggesting that all immigrants are non-whites.  It was the UKBA in the original story that you posted who were accused of profiling just black or asians for being illegal immigrants, and that was what people thought was racist.  You suggested that it was an example of Britain "going down the plughole" to question the UKBA's activities.

philmountains wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 1:25pm:

God is this topic still going on !!!!!!! ;) and who,s got there blinkers on ?

I don't know.  Who do you think has got blinkers on and over what? 

This thread started out as a bit of a rant about people questioning UKBA's methods of rounding up illegal immigrants.  I believe that you were the one who opened it up to be a discussion about immigrants in general.  It's clearly a subject that interests everyone.

Always  interested in a good discussion. keeps the mind active.
It's good to have different opinions. ;)

Yup I agree with that matey !!!  roll on October when I,m back in the Rain ,wind and errrrrrrrrr snow, yes  Tortosa so get your brollies ready boy,s and girls ;D
let,s get back to slating Mr O leary  Boooooo!!!!!!

philmountains wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:19pm:

Yup I agree with that matey !!!  roll on October when I,m back in the Rain ,wind and errrrrrrrrr snow, yes  Tortosa so get your brollies ready boy,s and girls ;D let,s get back to slating Mr O leary  Boooooo!!!!!!

can i come too ,this sunshine is killing me  :)

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:25pm:

philmountains wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:19pm: Yup I agree with that matey !!!  roll on October when I,m back in the Rain ,wind and errrrrrrrrr snow, yes  Tortosa so get your brollies ready boy,s and girls ;D let,s get back to slating Mr O leary  Boooooo!!!!!! can i come too ,this sunshine is killing me  :)

and NOOOOO DONT SLATE MR 0 LEARY  we need him now and again  :)

Is this man a racist? He is denying it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386488/Godfrey-Bloom-Sending-aid-Africa-treason-says-unrepentant-UKIP-man-Bongo-Bongo-land-storm.html

Have you all finished having hissy fits. It's such a laugh sometimes reading this forum. A good discussion is interesting but it does get out of hand sometimes. would miss the fun though if it got too serious!!

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:25pm: philmountains wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:19pm: Yup I agree with that matey !!!  roll on October when I,m back in the Rain ,wind and errrrrrrrrr snow, yes  Tortosa so get your brollies ready boy,s and girls ;D let,s get back to slating Mr O leary  Boooooo!!!!!! can i come too ,this sunshine is killing me  :) and NOOOOO DONT SLATE MR 0 LEARY  we need him now and again  :)

This programme may not be helpful to Mr O´Dreary    :(

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85868538

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 7:01pm:

Is this man a racist? He is denying it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386488/Godfrey-Bloom-Sending-aid-Africa-treason-says-unrepentant-UKIP-man-Bongo-Bongo-land-storm.html

Well I think most normal people would deny being racist but it wouldn't necessarily make it true.  As for Mr Bloom, I'm not sure, maybe just a complete prat.  He's one of these people who blames 'PC' because it isn't any longer acceptable to say what you like about people.  The stupid things that he says about women wouldn't be out of place in a 1960's sitcom.  He certainly hasn't advanced the discussion about foreign aid and how it is distributed, that's for sure

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 7:05pm:

wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:26pm: wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:25pm: philmountains wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 6:19pm: Yup I agree with that matey !!!  roll on October when I,m back in the Rain ,wind and errrrrrrrrr snow, yes  Tortosa so get your brollies ready boy,s and girls ;D let,s get back to slating Mr O leary  Boooooo!!!!!! can i come too ,this sunshine is killing me  :) and NOOOOO DONT SLATE MR 0 LEARY  we need him now and again  :) This programme may not be helpful to Mr O´Dreary    :( http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=85868538

Or it could be sensationalist nonsense as claimed in the second post on that thread.  We shall see.  Well I shan't as we don't get UK tv.  If Dispatches have uncovered anything that is of serious concern regarding the safety of Ryanair's passengers and crew I hope that they have notified all the relevant authorities already.  Apparently the programme is based around the three Ryanair aircraft that had problems landing in Valencia

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 7:01pm: Is this man a racist? He is denying it. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2386488/Godfrey-Bloom-Sending-aid-Africa-treason-says-unrepentant-UKIP-man-Bongo-Bongo-land-storm.html Well I think most normal people would deny being racist but it wouldn't necessarily make it true.  As for Mr Bloom, I'm not sure, maybe just a complete prat.  He's one of these people who blames 'PC' because it isn't any longer acceptable to say what you like about people.  The stupid things that he says about women wouldn't be out of place in a 1960's sitcom.  He certainly hasn't advanced the discussion about foreign aid and how it is distributed, that's for sure

Cant argue with a couple of points...foriegn aid and women reversing.

Bill Cosby wrote this in 2010 and l never get tired of reading it.
l'm sure there are parts of it that someone will take issue with. ;)


I'm 74. Except for brief period in the 50's when I was doing my National Service, I've worked hard since I was 17. Except for some serious health challenges, I put in 50-hour weeks, and didn't call in sick in nearly 40 years. I made a reasonable salary, but I didn't inherit my job or my income, and I worked to get where I am. Given the economy, it looks as though retirement was a bad idea, and  I'm tired. Very tired. 

I'm tired of being told that I have to "spread the wealth" to people who
don't have my work ethic. I'm tired of being told the government will take the money I earned, by force if necessary, and give it to people too lazy to earn it.      
 
I'm tired of being told that Islam is a "Religion of Peace," when every day I can read dozens of stories of Muslim men killing their sisters, wives and daughters for their family "honour"; of Muslims rioting over some slight offense; of Muslims murdering Christian and Jews because they aren't "believers"; of Muslims burning schools for girls; of Muslims stoning teenage rape victims to death for "adultery"; of Muslims mutilating the genitals of little girls; all in the name of Allah, because the Qur'an and Shari'a law tells them to. 
 
I'm tired of being told that out of "tolerance for other cultures" we must let Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries use our oil money to fund mosques and madrassa Islamic schools to preach hate in Australia , New Zealand , UK, America and Canada , while no one from these countries are allowed to fund a church, synagogue or religious school in Saudi Arabia or any other Arab country to teach love and tolerance..   

I'm tired of being told I must lower my living standard to fight global
warming, which no one is allowed to debate.

I'm tired of being told that drug addicts have a disease, and I must help support and treat them, and pay for the damage they do. Did a giant germ rush out of a dark alley, grab them, and stuff white powder up their noses or stick a needle in their arm while they tried to fight it off?

I'm tired of hearing wealthy athletes, entertainers and politicians of all
parties talking about innocent mistakes, stupid mistakes or youthful
mistakes, when we all know they think their only mistake was getting
caught. I'm tired of people with a sense of entitlement, rich or poor. 

I'm really tired of people who don't take responsibility for their lives and actions. I'm tired of hearing them blame the government, or discrimination or big-whatever for their problems.

I'm also tired and fed up with seeing young men and women in their teens and early 20's be-deck them selves in tattoos and face studs, thereby making themselves un-employable and claiming money from the Government.

Yes, I'm damn tired. But I'm also glad to be 74. Because, mostly, I'm not going to have to see the world these people are making. I'm just sorry for my granddaughters and their children.   Thank God I'm on the way out and not on the way in.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet....

http://www.inquisitr.com/511925/bill-cosby-im-83-and-im-tired-rant-is-fake-angers-cosby/

wrote on Aug 8^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

Cant argue with a couple of points...foriegn aid and women reversing.

I could.  You spelled 'foreign' wrong  ::)....oh and I can reverse well, even with a trailer attached  8-)

munkonminor wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.... http://www.inquisitr.com/511925/bill-cosby-im-83-and-im-tired-rant-is-fake-angers-cosby/

Exactly.

“There’s an email floating around — entitled ‘I’m 76 and tired’ — purportedly sent by me. I did not write the email, I did not send the email, I’m not 76, and I don’t subscribe to the ugly views expressed in the email. We are coming up to an important anniversary on Sunday [the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks], which is a day when we should all come together. Whoever wrote this email is not thinking about our country, or what is important.”

I'm glad he said that, I really didn't want to dislike him.


wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 9:35am:

Bill Cosby wrote this in 2010 and l never get tired of reading it. l'm sure there are parts of it that someone will take issue with. ;)

Do you agree with all of it then?  Surely you must have seen some young men with tattoos employed by the army?  :)

Ahhhhhh -trailer reversing!!! well it all depends on the size of the trailer ,dosnt it  ;D

Don't know. I was never in the Army. ;)

The only thing I am fed up with is people on this forum telling me how or how I should not think with regard to immigration and its associated problems whether in the UK or here.

wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

The only thing I am fed up with is people on this forum telling me how or how I should not think with regard to immigration and its associated problems whether in the UK or here.

No one's telling anybody how to think, just voicing their opinions on a particular point.

wrote on Aug 9^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

The only thing I am fed up with is people on this forum telling me how or how I should not think with regard to immigration and its associated problems whether in the UK or here.

Come on then Tony, what are your views on this subject then?   ;)

wrote on Aug 10^th, 2013 at 8:30am:

wrote on Aug 9th, 2013 at 10:15pm: The only thing I am fed up with is people on this forum telling me how or how I should not think with regard to immigration and its associated problems whether in the UK or here. No one's telling anybody how to think, just voicing their opinions on a particular point.

I must admit I was surprised at Tony's remark.. I haven't seen anyone telling others what to think.  Telling people you don't agree with them or even that you don't like what they are saying is just discussion isn't it?

I have no intention of restarting this discussion but...


"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, let's blame the people with no power and no money and these immigrants who don't even have the vote – yeah, it must be their crappity smacking fault."
Iain Banks

Sounds right to me. Everything else is a smokescreen to cover this.
Bruixot

OK. I'll come out of my cave and say thanks to
# Bruixot for his last post, so true.
# Pondgirl for consistently confronting the prejudice (those that use the Daily Mail as a source of information!), and finally to
# JaBB for having some experience to add to all the opinion.
There is hope.
Ed

Ed, are you showing  "prejudice " against those who use the Daily Mail a source of information ? Think about it.  :)

wrote on Aug 11^th, 2013 at 11:01pm:

Ed, are you showing  "prejudice " against those who use the Daily Mail a source of information ? Think about it.  :)

Well the dictionary describes 'prejudice' as:
an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

If you rely on the DM for your opinion you are not using knowledge, thought or reason.  So, no, he's not  :).

Pondgirl, I disagree with your reply to my question to Ed.
Firstly you have misquoted Ed, He did not say use the DM "for your opinion" he wrote  "(those that use the Daily Mail as a source of information!)". Using for "opinion" is totally different than using for "information."

Information being facts formed so as to provide meaning. Prejudice I agree as per your post.

Many people use the DM. to seek information. Nobody can assume that "those" who seek information in the DM. agree with the information or use it to form prejudiced opinion.
Some read it to disagree,
Some to understand.
Some to (know thy enemy).
Some to comment on.
Some to debate it.
Some for legal purposes.
Some for social purposes.
Some information in the DM, is 100% correct.
To label "people" whose motives or reasons are not known in a pejorative way ie. "prejudice" as in the post is to have an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason of these people. I.E. prejudiced opinion of these people.
This is an good example of the insidious nature of prejudice.
The objective of this form is, consciously or unconsciously,  to take away peoples freedom to seek information and devalue them by labeling them in a pejorative manner.   :)

Smidge I did say "If you rely on the DM for your information".  I meant relying on a single source.  And people use the information to form their opinions do they not?  If you rely on a single source (whatever it is) it will skew your opinions, is what I am saying.  Oh and the Daily Mail is an odious rag that objectifies women on a daily basis and continually publishes articles that are designed to anger people, something that shows quite clearly in their comments sections.  It gets them 'click throughs' and they mean money.

Seconds away round 5   ;D   (I´ve been secretly informed that Nobby may take a dive in round 6!  ;) )

The Daily Mail is not a source of enlightenment, it just reinforces existing prejudices in its readers.

Pondgirl I will have to take your word that the Daily Mail is "an odious rag that objectifies women on a daily basis and continually publishes articles that are designed to anger people "  as those are serious opinions and I would not approach reading the DM with a serious attitude nor would I read it on a "daily basis"  However it strikes me you appear to have such an emphatic and comprehensive understanding about the nature of the DM. it is reasonable to assume that you get information from /read the DM . How would you be so well informed otherwise? . According to EDs post "the prejudice (those that use the Daily Mail as a source of information!)", this would define you as "prejudice"  Would you agree of disagree with him ?  :)

OK post 2 - Starting with an apology: I was wrong to refer to “using the DM as a source of information” as prejudice. The DM is a source of information. It is probably used in academic courses all over the UK as an example of how news can be selected and presented to present a particular and required point of view. Yes to that extent it can be informative.

It is good to have diverse sources of information. For example on Immigration here is a Green Party person.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/135431

One view is that immigrants to the UK are good for businesses as they keep down labour costs, and especially most arrive in the UK as adults saving the UK their rearing and training costs. If they go away before they are old it is a double “win” for the UK. Business doesn't need to consider the social costs of this strategy.

PS. And, yes in my view Daily Mail is an odious rag (there are many others).

Utterley brilliant from immigration to...........
Racism
Terrorism
Colonisation
Imperialism
Border control
Arachnophobia
Ryanair (again)
Sexism
And a really boring posting on the Daily Mail by Smidge


All in one thread,take a bow folks.

And all because l read an letter in Yachting Monthly, from the Australian Chairman of the Moody Owners Ass.   imploring all yachtsmen and women ( nearly got caught then ) yachtspersons in the UK, to resist the expansion of the UKBC. By writing to every Tom, Dick or Harry, ( and their female equivalent ) because, in his opinion, ( must be a DM reader ) they are becoming a para-military organisation and not to let them board their yachts when entering UK waters.

Don't think were finished yet Ian.  ;) ::)

wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 8:13pm:

Pondgirl I will have to take your word that the Daily Mail is "an odious rag that objectifies women on a daily basis and continually publishes articles that are designed to anger people "  as those are serious opinions and I would not approach reading the DM with a serious attitude nor would I read it on a "daily basis"  However it strikes me you appear to have such an emphatic and comprehensive understanding about the nature of the DM. it is reasonable to assume that you get information from /read the DM . How would you be so well informed otherwise? . According to EDs post "the prejudice (those that use the Daily Mail as a source of information!)", this would define you as "prejudice"  Would you agree of disagree with him ?  :)

How you 'approach' the DM doesn't change what it is or what it does.  It just means that you don't notice.

I do look at the DM, not on a daily basis , usually because someone from one or another another forum I belong to has posted a link to a story.  Whenever you click on these items the sidebar is always full of stories about what women look like, whether or not they are wearing make up, clothes they approve of or if they are too fat or too skinny.

I would be prejudiced if I just said that all DM readers are....whatever, just because they read it/look at the pictures.  My 'problem' (can't think what else to call it) is with those that don't bother to read any other sources or, ahem, check their sources for veracity or extreme bias.

I suppose that might make me prejudiced but that would be stretching the meaning to include everyone who expresses a negative opinion about any given group of people.

But you can call me that if you want, I don't mind  ;)

wrote on Aug 13^th, 2013 at 11:50pm:

And all because l read an letter in Yachting Monthly, from the Australian Chairman of the Moody Owners Ass.   imploring all yachtsmen and women ( nearly got caught then ) yachtspersons in the UK, to resist the expansion of the UKBC. By writing to every Tom, Dick or Harry, ( and their female equivalent ) because, in his opinion, ( must be a DM reader ) they are becoming a para-military organisation and not to let them board their yachts when entering UK waters. Don't think were finished yet Ian.  ;) ::)

Ah, that was what motivated you to start a thread stating that you think that the UK is going down the plughole.  And there I was thinking that your opening post was about how terrible it was that the UKBA's tactics were being brought into question.  ::)

Is that what inspired you to write this as well?


wrote on Aug 5^th, 2013 at 6:41pm:

Both the Lab and Tories are frightened to put there heads above the parapet to point us in the right direction. Lets get rid of all the "jobs-worth, do-gooders and PC brigade". Most of it comes from Brussels anyway. Lets start calling  spade a spade. All this c**p about so-called Human rights No one has any Human rights until they can demonstrate to the community that they deserve  them. Likewise benefits should be earned and not expected as a given right. Many people think the UK is one of the most tolerant societies in the world. Welcoming more than it's fair share of the worlds displaced citizens.  l would say it is lacking in moral fibre >:( ln order to live harmoniously with each other ,we must have laws and rules that everyone must abide by. lf not you forfeit your right to live in a society that is governed by them, and by sent back to where you come from, without intervention from Brussels. lf we let the lunatics run the asylum we are failing in out duty to the next generation.  :( Yours  Billy-no-mates, And this is before l have a drink. ::) ( don't mention your name Pike) ;)

:o :)

Round 6 then Rob....

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I was wrong to refer to “using the DM as a source of information” as prejudice. Thank you Coldalba, that is enough for me. Pondgirl read the DM as much or a little as you like thats what freedom is about.
Norbot, lighten up, you try too hard.  :)

wrote on Aug 7^th, 2013 at 9:24pm:

Bulldog wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:38pm: together with my trusty sidekick a one eyed limping lesbian As a one eyed limping heterosexual I nearly resemble that remark  8-)

As you have let the cat out of the bag as I only changed the name to protect the innocent I find I must spring to your defence with the remarks made against you. I must admit while doing our duty in Bongo Bongo land together I did on more than one occasion discover you reading the D.M. paper but must strongly state that apart from making spelling corrections I never heard a racist remark come from you and apart from one incident where you refused to tip a black waiter whose friend had just been tipped over the mountain your conduct was beyond reproach and I fully support you to have certain members thrown out of the party UKIP ( U Keep Insulting People. )
Your trusted sidekick Bulldog. 

Ian you forgot to mention "Yachting Monthly" in your list, sound,s like a great read,especially for the typical:D donkey shed owner LOL !!!!
Back to Mr O leary please and his bully boy tactics on those poor pilots, did you see that prog the other night ?
Oh and watched a place in the sun the other day, was this the 1 mentioned in a recent  thread ?, a farther and son looking to buy in the Ebro valley ?
There Ian now this thread has a new String ;)

Bulldog wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:08pm:

wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 9:24pm: Bulldog wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 7:38pm: together with my trusty sidekick a one eyed limping lesbian As a one eyed limping heterosexual I nearly resemble that remark  8-) As you have let the cat out of the bag as I only changed the name to protect the innocent I find I must spring to your defence with the remarks made against you. I must admit while doing our duty in Bongo Bongo land together I did on more than one occasion discover you reading the D.M. paper but must strongly state that apart from making spelling corrections I never heard a racist remark come from you and apart from one incident where you refused to tip a black waiter whose friend had just been tipped over the mountain your conduct was beyond reproach and I fully support you to have certain members thrown out of the party UKIP ( U Keep Insulting People. ) Your trusted sidekick Bulldog.

Those were the day eh?  ;D

wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 11:21am:

Round 6 then Rob....

Round 6 already!  wow that was quick,Will it all happen in the sixth?     ::)

Thank you Pondgirl, l stand by every word l write. Do l take it that you don't agree with me :(  and that you bat for the other side! :o

wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:13am:

Thank you Pondgirl, l stand by every word l write. Do l take it that you don't agree with me :(  and that you bat for the other side! :o

You are correct, I don't agree at all with what you have written about in this thread.

How about that folks. Pondgirl and l agree to disagree ;D

It's only civillised  :)