A petition calling for a second EU referendum is close to reaching 100,000 signatures – meaning it must be considered for debate in parliament.

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We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if they remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

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Shall we make it best out of three ? The vote has been taken and we are out, that's how democracy works. The sun will still rise tomorrow, the flies will be just as bad and the Bankers will still make a killing at our expense.

I think the number of demands has broken the site.. it says it is down for maintenance..

I received my voting papers on Tuesday 21st, I sent it back the same day but am positive it didn't arrive on time - I wonder how many more votes were lost this way.

munkonminor wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Shall we make it best out of three ? The vote has been taken and we are out, that's how democracy works. The sun will still rise tomorrow, the flies will be just as bad and the Bankers will still make a killing at our expense.

I don't think you would be saying that if you were an ex pat pensioner relying on reciprocal health arrangements with the UK. Rajoy has already said that will disappear.

I would unless I didn't believe in Democracy. Unfortunately there will always be winners and losers where Politics is concerned. My pension value also dropped dramatically today but by the end of the exit process it will probably return to it's previous miserable level.

From experience the health care in Spain is better than we currently get it the UK unless you have insurance. If you are resident why are you worried ? If you are not worried come on home  :)

It transpires that many 'Out Voters' now regret their decision.

How can they possibly treat such an important vote so flippantly as to regret it just hours later?

For me, I am in disbelief. I'm angry, ashamed shocked and very worried for the 'British' people. Most people have no idea what they have done and the consequences that will follow.

We are going to become a broken, destroyed nation with no identity in isolation unless we can reverse this mess. This has been always apparent if we were to vote 'Out'

It is a very sad day for the UK, Europe and the rest of the world.

Well done Boris it looks like you have achieved your objective and your own agenda. You should hang your head in shame and apologize for  the catastrophic nightmare you are about to create for the sovereign state you want your so called people to live in.

munkonminor wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:16pm:

I would unless I didn't believe in Democracy. Unfortunately there will always be winners and losers where Politics is concerned. My pension value also dropped dramatically today but by the end of the exit process it will probably return to it's previous miserable level. From experience the health care in Spain is better than we currently get it the UK unless you have insurance. If you are resident why are you worried ? If you are not worried come on home  :)

British pensioners who have moved to EU countries to take advantage of a lower cost of living and to make their pensions go further (and there are thousands of them) only receive free health care because of the reciprocal arrangement Britain has with the EU.  Spain and all the other EU countries are under no obligation to offer this once Britain leaves unless the UK  offer the same arrangements to EU citizens, and as the NHS "being overstretched by immigrants" was one of the reasons people voted leave, I can't see it happening.

I'm not worried for myself, we are happy living here and can afford to do so without any help from Britain.  The chances of us coming back to the UK after Thursday's vote are about zero, it has become ugly and toxic.  The lunatics have taken over the asylum

We are not out as yet ,it has to go through the house of commons then the house of lords both are very strongly in favour of staying in we will have to Waite and see what happens

Obviously different people are worried for there own reasons.
But,my personal opinion ,for what it's worth,is to
Sit tight and try and ride the storm out.
But everybody has their own ideas ,thoughts and opinions.
But nobody actual knows what is going to happen,until
The powers that  be sit down and discuss details.
And this could take up to a couple of years or more ,there is 80,000 odd sheets of paper
To seive through
Me personally what I am going to do other than sit tight .
Me and my children,are applying for 4 more passports ,
Irish,spanish and if Catalonia get independence
Their passport.
Also a swiss passport as I did read somewhere there is a politic party
That want a guaranteed income for everyone of 20.000 euros ,I believe.
Also thinking of a Russian passport because they are trying to
Develop teleportation,now that's  a thought.
Surely I can't go wrong CAN I :D
OR CAN I

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I have spoken to David Lammy today and according to him this is not true!

I personally don't think there will be a second referendum
It will end up like table tennis ,first to 21.
Firstly article 50 has to be triggered.
The exit out of the EU has to go through the house of commons
And the house of lords, who are mostly pro EU.
It also I think has to be agreed by all  the other members
Of the EU block ,which is ,27 other countries.
There is a long long way to go yet!!!

I moved here full time 5 years ago after having a holiday home here since 2004.  I am not  a pensioner, not for another 6 years, unless the government move the goal posts again.
At age 55 years my wife and I decided to retire early and move here full time.
We bought private medical cover which increased in cost annually until today when it stands at €1200.00 a year each. On top of that you buy your own medication and make additional co-payments to keep the overall cost down.  €12.00 to visit the G.P., €11.00 to have an injection, but, all other costs are covered. I needed heart tests which were done the same day, an abdominal scan which was done the following day. I have blood tests twice a year.  I have had two colonoscopies, under general thankfully. I was allowed to administer the pre op internal cleansing program at home myself.  The N.H.S. option would be to be as a day  patient and keep dashing from the ward to the loo
The other choice to keep costs down in the U.K. is that you get a packet in the post and you have to smear sticks with your bodily waste and post them back to be tested.
If you pay privately you get things done quicker and usually better.
The same is for the U.K., the N.H.S. is now at crisis point, not only because of increased immigration, but also because of the number of new managers needed to operate all the departments.  Sadly the days of Matron are long gone, when wards were spotless as opposed to today where corners are cut to save money. Cleaning contracts switch firms more often than Hollywood actors switch partners.
The U.K. made a rod for it's own back when kids were allowed to leave school and sign on for life claiming a raft of benefits.  When I explain to Catalan friends how easy it is not to work yet still maintain an income they are amazed.
All this cannot be blamed on the E.U.
We now split our time equally between our English home and our Spanish home.  In order to remain within the law we can only have residency in one country so we chose the U.K.  Yes it does cost more to run a car on English road tax and English insurance etc; but at the same time we can save on medical insurance and buy holiday insurance instead. As stated earlier we are not pensioners so the worry of the exchange rate does not affect our way of life directly at present.  Currency fluctuations are a way of life so it will be a case of time will tell where and when the £ will settle.  As soon as the markets calm down as soon as the political parties calm down things may be brighter.
Sadly the younger generation saying the older generation robbed them of their future is continuing, even though the older generation secured a future for the young.  Some people in England now think that all non-English people will leave the country and anyone working will get a pay rise, anyone on benefits will not be facing cuts and anyone who wants a doctors appointment will get one tomorrow.  A lot of people voted with limited knowledge of what the greater implications of Brexit would be, they did not want that knowledge as they were happy in their own world.
The facts remain a vote was taken and due to our democratic process we should accept the result.  Yes it was the closest of ballots and no doubt there are people in seats of power now working on how they can manipulate the process to move in their favour, time will out.....Rant over, off for siesta.

"Sadly the younger generation saying the older generation robbed them of their future is continuing, even though the older generation secured a future for the young."

Clearly they didn't.  If you are talking about WW2 there are very few left to vote who fought, anyone who was 18 in 1944 would be 90 today.  The ones who voted out were the baby boomers, my parent's generation who might have done National Service but weren't in active service and who have benefitted so much from the NHS, cheap mortgages in the 60s, final salary pensions for the last twenty years etc

Anyone with money will survive this hiatus.  It's those without the wherewithal to pay for medical insurance I feel sorry for.

This is my personal opinion.
If it's upsets anyone then sorry.
I to think it's disgusting that people sacrificed lives and more
To keep foreign invaders out,and look at it now.
I don't blame people from Poland,Romania,syria ,Iraq etc coming
To the UK,as most of their lives must have been terrible living conditions
For their children.the prospect of someone dangling a carrot in front
Of them,ie coming to the UK and claiming all the benefits they could,
Is I am afraid human nature.
A lot of them , single men ,rent places and live 6plus to a place ,
Earn money,split the bills and send money home to support
Their families.
The UK worker next door with his mortgage etc etc with 2.3 kids what
Chance has he got ,he is bound to get the hump.
A lot of the immigrants work for a lot less,than the UK worker needs,
So some employers have employed cheap workers ,made
More money or cut costs to compete with everyone else.
I did read somewhere ,where a small factory had made all the
UK workers redundant and taken on cheap workers for less money,
Hence the UK worker again has no chance.
As I said I don't blame the immigrants wanting a better life,
Or taking advantage of the benefit system however unjust or unfair
It would be.
I am no politician or genius,but I think the damage is done!
BUT I do blame the EU and the UK government for the mess
That the UK is in,and the blame must surely be
Placed on their shoulders.
But how they clear up the mess ,well that's another story
And a long long way off yet.
Anyway time for some zzzs
Night all

I never voted when we entered the E.U. as I was a serving soldier on active service.  WWII was not the conflict to which I refered and as to people being able to afford private medical insurance, if they can't afford it then they are free to use the N.H.S. or just pay the going rates to speak with a G.P. at the time required.

What rights would British expats have under international law?

Asked what would happen to expats in the event of Brexit, a Leave.EU spokesman said: “Expats rights will be grandfathered due to the Vienna Convention.”

The Vienna Convention of 1969 states that people keep the rights that they once exercised under a treaty, even if that treaty is later terminated.

Therefore expats in Europe would retain their “acquired right” to stay there, but it would not apply to people who move abroad in the future.

Mr Smith said that these “acquired rights” include British expats’ rights to live in another country and own property there.

But he said: “They are quite basic. The rights do not cover healthcare or benefits. That is the legal view of the legal profession.”

DenGeo wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

I never voted when we entered the E.U. as I was a serving soldier on active service.  WWII was not the conflict to which I refered and as to people being able to afford private medical insurance, if they can't afford it then they are free to use the N.H.S. or just pay the going rates to speak with a G.P. at the time required.

I was talking about British pensioners living over here in Spain as economic migrants, because it's cheaper here and their pension pound goes further.  They have been getting free health care in Spain as part of reciprocal health care arrangements amongst EU partners.  That will stop when the UK leaves the EU and the people who are getting free health care here will have to start paying.  Unless of course Britain agrees as part of the deal to continue to offer free healthcare to the European 'invaders', but I don't think it would be a very popular move amongst the 'Leavers'.

wrote on Jun 30^th, 2016 at 12:12am:

This is my personal opinion. If it's upsets anyone then sorry. I to think it's disgusting that people sacrificed lives and more To keep foreign invaders out,and look at it now. I don't blame people from Poland,Romania,syria ,Iraq etc coming To the UK,as most of their lives must have been terrible living conditions For their children.the prospect of someone dangling a carrot in front Of them,ie coming to the UK and claiming all the benefits they could, Is I am afraid human nature. A lot of them , single men ,rent places and live 6plus to a place , Earn money,split the bills and send money home to support Their families. The UK worker next door with his mortgage etc etc with 2.3 kids what Chance has he got ,he is bound to get the hump. A lot of the immigrants work for a lot less,than the UK worker needs, So some employers have employed cheap workers ,made More money or cut costs to compete with everyone else. I did read somewhere ,where a small factory had made all the UK workers redundant and taken on cheap workers for less money, Hence the UK worker again has no chance. As I said I don't blame the immigrants wanting a better life, Or taking advantage of the benefit system however unjust or unfair It would be. I am no politician or genius,but I think the damage is done! BUT I do blame the EU and the UK government for the mess That the UK is in,and the blame must surely be Placed on their shoulders. But how they clear up the mess ,well that's another story And a long long way off yet. Anyway time for some zzzs Night all

This doesn't upset me in the slightest, but you seriously cannot expect anyone to respect an opinion that is based on lies, supposition and scaremongering.   

Describing immigrants as 'invaders' that need to be got rid of is exactly the kind of language that has set off so much racist abuse against Polish children, for instance, in the UK, handing them cards saying they would be deported for heaven's sake.  There was a German woman on LBC a few days ago who was weeping with fear because her neighbours had told her that she had been 'voted out' and she had two weeks to leave, they had put dog excrement through her door.  She is in her seventies and has lived in the UK for 48 years with her British husband who had recently died.

Personally I think that people who invoke the war dead to put their opinion across are disgusting too.  My grandparents took in refugees during ww2, and they are who I learned my compassion from.  I am so ashamed to be British these days.  I am remaining here and European.

Dear pondgirl,
I certainly didn't invoke the people that served in the
War,the complete opposite ,I think that
Soldiers past and present who served their country
Are hero's and I for one have enormous respect for them.
But if you think that's disgusting so be it.
Thanks.
Invoke means.
As a witness,, inspiration, in support of argument.
Thanks.

I think you might have misunderstood the word invoke.

I am sad to hear about the racially abuse being
Dished out to certain cultures in the uk ,and towards
Children,its not called for .
There is also no need for the fear factor of
Saying to people you are out of the EU ,so out of the uk
Or out of anywhere else
We are still in the EU for the time being ,and I hope
That when the powers that be ,sit down and talk and I hope
From the bottom of my heart common sense prevails
Where  everybody can live in place of happiness
And a sense of fairness,i try to look
At things from everyone's point of view


I have two children here and obviously myself,
We have been more than welcome in to village life.
I would not  like my children  or anybody else to hear
These comments.
Best wishes to all.