http://uk.news.yahoo.com/nelson-mandela-dies-president-confirms-214954970.html

Nelsen Mandela has died in Johannesburg aged 95. A great loss to the world.

John. 

Bunter wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 12:07pm:


This is sick.

Great men do not deny that they have an AID's epidemic in their country.
Not allowing the distribution of condoms was unforgiveable.
He was a racist just like the whites in South Africa.
He was nothing more than a puppet for the racist ANC.
l for one will certainly not miss him.

wonderful,. el alto how you have replied those simple people.
one can always find the little things a person did not do but never talk about the great things the same person did . I always wonder what those people who are so good at critizising ever have done themselves.

Your right Smidge But it wasn't till his son died that he was dragged to the microphone and admit they had a problem. What about the millions that had died before he acknowledge  his son had AIDs
lf he was a peaceful man. Why was he a co-founder of the MK.
lt took him 27 years to realise what most right minded people think.
From Wikipedia
  Umkhonto we Sizwe (or MK), translated "Spear of the Nation", was the military wing of the ANC. Partly in response to the Sharpeville massacre of 1960, individual members of the ANC found it necessary to consider violence to combat what passive protest had failed to quell. There was a significant portion of the ANC who therefore turned to violence to achieve their goals. A significant portion of ANC leadership agreed that this violence was needed to combat increasing backlash from the government. Some ANC members were upset by the actions of the MK, and refused to accept violence as necessary for the ending of Apartheid, but these individuals became a minority as the militant leaders such as Nelson Mandela gained significant popularity. Many consider their actions to be criminal, but the MK deemed the means justified by the end goal of ending apartheid. The MK committed terrorist acts to achieve their aims, and MK was responsible for the deaths of both civilians and members of the military. Acts of terrorism committed by the MK include the Church Street bombing and the Magoo's Bar bombing. In co-operation with the South African Communist Party, MK was founded in 1961.

He believed in peaceful change no more than Jerry Adams.

!As for myself l have served in Her Majesties forces all over the world and  have been part of peace keeping missions in Aden-Borneo as well as N Ireland. protecting the innocent.

Those without knowledge will seek to personalise there replies

Here are some TRUE FACTS.

http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela...

Bob, AIDS may not have been on his agenda he was banged up at the time this epidemic was starting. However when he did become conscious of it he spoke out against it.
Regarding man of violence/peace I will leave that to others to debate. You have your view and shown evidence here why you have the view. Some of the people with the opposite view can outline similar evidence for their view, some cannot. However the great thing about freedom is that everyone can express their view.

You asked the question Hivi. (I always wonder what those people who are so good at critizising ever have done themselves. ) So l told you. l was not boasting about my time in Nl.
The fact l was there gives me a more balanced view.  After all ones mans Terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Now l  throw your question  back to you.
Quite agree with you Smidge.  ln a Free world we can all have an opinion. So nice to debate and rise above.

Those without knowledge will seek to personalise there replies. Perhaps you would like a translation Hivi.