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Re: Loss of UK TV channels
Reply #210 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:18pm
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Part of it will come down to copyright and distribution rights. BBC and ITV only have rights for the UK. If the UK broadcasters started offering their programming in Europe the European broadcasters would then be unhappy! Likewise the reverse.

Imagine if a 'war' broke out to secure the rights of distribution for some small football event. What would happen if Canal+ Italy won and didn't provide services to UK viewers or UK viewers had to subscribe with yet another satellite dish, decoder etc...
How many subscriptions do you want to pay, you already (UK based) subscribe to BBC and ITV through force - licence fees and advertising fees, how many more? Canal+ Spain, Italy, France etc... see where this could lead?

And languages? Live events broadcast to you exclusively in Czech?  Humm..
  
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Reply #211 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:30pm
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Laws overide contractual rights each and every time. You cannot contract yourself out of a legal obligation!

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Reply #212 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:05pm
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Lost Channel 4 in Spain and have a Sky card - try this...

found this on www.satandpcguy.com

If you have lost the normal version  Channel 4 on 104 on your Sky box, then it may be possible to still receive  Channel 4 ( and E4 and More 4), as long as you have a Sky card.
Although the free version of Channel Four may not be available, it may be possible for you to receive the Irish versions of Cannel Four.
These are encrypted and require a sky card to access.
Channel 4 Ireland is available with a non subscription viewing card.
E4 Ireland and More4 Ireland are available with a Sky subscription card.
How to add the Irish Channel Four to your Sky box.
Press services
Go to Add Channels
Input the frequency           12480    V     27.5       2/3
Find Channels
A list of some channel will appear, if your dish is big enough to receive them.
Included in this list are the Irish versions of Channel 4, E4 and More4
Navigate to the channels, and press the yellow button placing a tick next to the channel.
When done, press select to save the channel.
Rather than access channel 4 via Sky Channel 104, simply press Services, go to Other Channels, and select Channel 4
And you should not have Channel 4 back.

You can also receive the HD versions of CH5, and ITV2, ITV3 and ITV4 with the Sky card.
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Reply #213 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:03pm
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i was wondering if anyone as now got a bigger satellite dish  conected yet and if its working ok and also what was the cost .
  
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Reply #214 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:10pm
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So Sue 100, Its the luck of the Irish,as to whether or not we receive our UK Tele or not? To be sure to be sure!!!!!!!!!!   Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad
  

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Reply #215 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:00pm
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ASTRA 2E NUDGED WEST
Astra 2E is been moved slightly further west. A few days ago, it was at 28.44º east, a small distance (seen from earth) from the other satellites broadcasting to the UK, which are at 28.2º east. According to positioning data published by SES (The company that owns 2EI It will be slightly further west by tomorrow, at 28.34º, closer to the main group.
The small movement may account for an improvement in signals in mainland Europe. Wait a day or two before attempting to adjust your dish. Smaller dishes can't see the difference in position, but larger ones can.
  
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Reply #216 - Feb 20th, 2014 at 8:17am
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FIVE THINGS YOUR SATELLITE INSTALLER MAY NOT HAVE TOLD YOU  Sad

Your dish may be smaller than you think
In Spain and Portugal, most suppliers measure dishes by the long dimension. In other countries, they are measured by their width, the international standard. If you were told that you’ve had a 1.35 metre put up, you have a 1.2. It will be 1.2 metres wide by 1.35 metres high. Likewise owners of "1.9 metre" offset dishes are unaware that they really have a 1.8 metre. Famaval or Portugese “1.9” circular dishes are really 1.8 metres. They have a wide non-receiving rim.
Some unscrupulous installers simply lie about the size of dish installed, confident that no-one will go up on a roof with a tape measure. Even professionals find it hard to judge size from street level.
Not all dishes are the same
Circular, or “prime focus”, dishes are less efficient than oval, or “offset” dishes. A 1.8 metre circular dish will not work as well as a 1.8 metre oval dish, which at 1.8 metres x 1.9 metres, has a greater surface area.
The signal may disappear in rain, at some times of day, and at certain times of year
Most installers warn you that your dish may be only just big enough for dry weather. You may be told you have no "rain margin". You may be somewhat surprised that the BBC picture breaks up in the evenings every day. If your dish is undersized, you will lose picture at regular times of day. Very few installers warn you that reception is worse in the summer and best around Christmas, and that every six weeks or so it will change for the worse or better.
No one at all will warn you that twice a year at the equinoxes, BBC and ITV signals in many areas of Europe including Spain disappear entirely for 10 minutes every morning, for five days either side of the 6th. March and 8th. October.
Your installer will have to come back in five years
Low Noise Blocks (LNBs) become slowly cooked in hot, sunny countries. Few make it past five years, and if they do, they lose efficiency. Cables laid without protection over a hot flat roof may suffer the same fate. After 10 years, there might be no insulation left and the signal may disappear every time it rains.
Your dish may have been installed undersized
Dishes installed between 2nd February 2012 and 6th February 2014 may have worked well with Astra 1N, which was easily receivable on 70 cm dishes in most of continental Europe. This has left many unable to receive BBC and ITV after the recent switch. It was clear from late 2012 that things were going to get much more difficult with Astra 2E. A few installers chose to ignore the warnings and carried on regardless.
  
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Reply #217 - Mar 3rd, 2014 at 8:24pm
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Can anyone explain why BBC 1 Northern Island is more stable in the evenings than my regional BBC 1 East/East?  Why is Channel 5 at this moment rock solid while most/all BBC 1 regions are corrupting?   Why does BBC 2 fade at 22.00 local but it's OK earlier on.   And even Radio 4 went ballistic last night.

On another tack.  BBC DG  Tony Hall was on the Media Show last week saying that currently 2% of tv is currently watched, legally, on non-license paying devices and this figure will grow over time.  Auntie will be forced to look at alternative revenue streams and the most obvious is subscription on a global basis.  It follows that some time in the future we will all have whatever we want provided we pay for it.  Time will tell.
  
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Reply #218 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 12:10pm
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I find everything written very interesting, certainly watching TV live in the evening now is impossible through the internet/phone service.
We have received an email from Pymes ONO a company offering 60MB per month for 21.90 euros.  Does anyone know about this service?
  
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Reply #219 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 1:44pm
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PYMES stands for 'Pequenya y mediana empresas' - small and medium businesses in English.

ONO is a telecoms provider that provide fixed line and fibre optic internet connections. www.ono.es

I have no idea if ONO have service in Riumar though.
  
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Reply #220 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 3:59pm
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It would be truly amazing if they were in Riumar as there is no landline here!
  
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Re: Loss of UK TV channels
Reply #221 - Jun 18th, 2014 at 11:39pm
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I've found a site that lists all the lost channels as being transmitted from Intelsat at 27 deg West. Encrypted in BISS or something. Anybody know more on this? Nigel can you test it and tell us the encryption type?

Hope to hear good news.

Apparantly they are provided as feed backup to Astra and are not for the general public.

I've also heard that a TV shop in Mora are selling decoders at 130 Euros. Can anyone confirm this?

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Re: Loss of UK TV channels
Reply #222 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 8:19am
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Yes, correct. There is a selection of channels available, BBC's, ITV1 and Channel 4 (no 5's or any of the others).

See http://www.lyngsat.com/Intelsat-907.html

This is a backup system for the UK terrestrial system and is encrypted. The keys can change at any time and the encryption system could also change.  It is an option for those who are prepared to take a risk.

The keys have historically changed every 3 months or so. Usually the new keys are available in a day or so (after someone cracks the code).

Depending on the receiver you may be able to manually re-program the codes or download new codes from the internet.

I have installed one and it is working well.

If anyone is interested then for a decoder and a dish realign (mínimum dish size is 1 metre) I charge 200 euros but cannot guarantee how long it may last.
  
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Re: Loss of UK TV channels
Reply #223 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 5:30pm
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Would this work on a Humax Foxsat Nigel ?
  

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Reply #224 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 5:54pm
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No I don't think so - it has no capability for decoding BISS encrypted channels. Many receivers are also unable to handle the high bit rate either so even if they could they probably wouldn't work.
  
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