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fishman
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Jun 20th, 2013 at 8:57pm
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Someone i know owns some land and wants to build but he has been told by a solicitor that spanish people have to build the basefir him and the shell first also his land has to be a certain size for the size of the house....weird...has anyone heard this. He has been waiting three years because he is told he needs to buy the land next door has anyone heard of this......cheers
  
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Pondgirl
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Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2013 at 10:34pm
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There are all sorts of regs about house building.  It makes a difference if the land is rural rather than urban.  We weren't allowed to build our house above a certain height (can't remember exactly) and had to change the pitch of the roof.  You also cannot oopen windows over someone else's property so if you aplanning to build right up to the boundary that has to be taken into consideration and is why we bought the terrace below the one we were building our house on..

The best person to speak to would be an architect or an architect tecnic, they know all the rules and regs.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2013 at 10:44pm
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Good evening

I definitely agree with Pondgirl on this one, your friend would be well advised to speak to an architect (arquitecto) or technical architect/surveyor (aparejador).

Planning regulations for urban-zoned land vary drastically from those for rural-zoned land, and regulations for urban-zoned plots can also vary widely.

Local councils will also give you information on what you can and can't do, but an architect or technical architect will be able to interpret that information.

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(Estate agent)
  
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fishman
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Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 9:21am
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"he has been told by a solicitor that spanish people have to build the base for him and the shell ".............
has anyone heard of this.a solicitor in the area( i shant mention  names)  has told him this
the land is rural up at pinnel de bri,). we have been here 9 years and have never heard of this.
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Re: house build
Reply #4 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 12:17pm
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Hi Fishman,

A few years ago in Pinell the ayuntament wanted a quote from a spanisch registred builder when we applied for a licence. The main purpose was to calculate the licence fee (you will pay a percentage of the building costs). It does not mean the same builder have to do the work. The ayuntament of Pinell can tell you about the local rules and regulations.

Unfortunately the ayuntament of Pinell the Brai is not a big help in sorting out the non-local rules. They can't really tell you what kind of paperwork you will need to deliver. They just send your application to all the involved departments and then wait what their demands for additional paperwork will be. It is a frustrating proces that cost us 1,5 year and  a lot of money on rather useless paperwork. And this was just to get  the licence to finish an already almost finished building without a roof.

As Jeff & pondgirl alread pointed out: speak to an architect  is a good point to start; your friend will need one anyway to produce the paperwork.

Good luck, Mark
  
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Pondgirl
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Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 1:50pm
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Yep, without the paperwork from the architect you won't get a certificat des obres and without that you won't get a cedula de habitabilitat  etc etc

Was your friend planning on building the house himself? Maybe the solicitor meant that the builders have to be Spanish registered or maybe he was just trying to get some work for local people.  They'll certainly need someone who knows all the building regs and local bye-laws.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 21st, 2013 at 10:49pm
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Yep, without the paperwork from the architect you won't get a certificat des obres and without that you won't get a cedula de habitabilitat  etc etc


I would disagree with you on that point Pondgirl and can prove that it isn't true.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 9:47am
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Yep, without the paperwork from the architect you won't get a certificat des obres and without that you won't get a cedula de habitabilitat  etc etc


I would disagree with you on that point Pondgirl and can prove that it isn't true.



Oooh the plot thinkens!    Shocked
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 1:36pm
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I think that what you are all talking about are the various types of Cedula obtained,some of them being totally worthless!
My personnel opinion is that these worthless Cedulars are being issued for ;the architects to make a living and in order to drastically increase the Rates on a former allotment/donkey shed.
Also knowing how good the Cataloonians are at deception they will have some financial bombshell planned for all the extranjerous,in the future years,when they cannot sell any more allotments.
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 2:03pm
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Yep, without the paperwork from the architect you won't get a certificat des obres and without that you won't get a cedula de habitabilitat  etc etc


I would disagree with you on that point Pondgirl and can prove that it isn't true.

i totally agree noby,and FISHMAN the best thing you can do is tell the person you know who wants to build to go to the local town hall and ask them what he can and cannot do .its no use people on here giveing advice as who are we to know all town halls have their own laws/opinions .best he gets things correct before he starts paying out money
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 22nd, 2013 at 3:42pm
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Hi Phil, what is a " worthless" cedula?  I assume you are talking about the cert that allows you live in the property and get services etc.  Smiley
  
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Pondgirl
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Reply #11 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 8:41am
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Yep, without the paperwork from the architect you won't get a certificat des obres and without that you won't get a cedula de habitabilitat  etc etc


I would disagree with you on that point Pondgirl and can prove that it isn't true.

Fair enough.  That's the way we had to do it though.  who else is permitted to issue the certificat des obres?  When we went to Endesa to get the electricity connected we had to have all of these documents before they would agree to connect us.  They will not even recognise the existance of a new build without a cedula.

As far as I know all the Town Halls get visits from a Generalitat architect, ours gets a visit once a fortnight.  They are the people to speak to about what is acceptable I would have thought  as they have to pass plans.
  
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Pondgirl
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Reply #12 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 8:45am
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I think that what you are all talking about are the various types of Cedula obtained,some of them being totally worthless!
My personnel opinion is that these worthless Cedulars are being issued for ;the architects to make a living and in order to drastically increase the Rates on a former allotment/donkey shed.
Also knowing how good the Cataloonians are at deception they will have some financial bombshell planned for all the extranjerous,in the future years,when they cannot sell any more allotments.

If the former allotments and donkey sheds now have houses on them that are being lived in then surely the rates should increase?  The rateable value of the land will have changed.  It's the same in the UK, except they are much stricter about where you can legally build in the first place.
  
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Reply #13 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 3:07pm
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Would you buy an allotment or donkey shed in the U.K.
and hope to build whatever, anyway?
Would you go into a pub and hand over money to someone that you had never met before, and get ripped off.
It still happens here.
Rules and laws here are for everyone!
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 23rd, 2013 at 5:24pm
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silly question: why are people doing these things here if they would never do it in the u.k.? Roll Eyes
  
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