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riddler
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Take care buying!
Nov 7th, 2006 at 5:34pm
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Read Val and Terry's article and more here http://www.tortosaforum.com/experience.html

To Keith& Liz
We are glad that you are settled and happy in Spain, as many people are and we never suggested otherwise.
We think you have been very lucky and hope it stays that way.In publishing our comments, Nigel obviously believes in free speech and as long as we do not name any person libel problems will not arise.
We wrote our piece from our own experience and listening to the stories of other people none of whom would join us in suing the Agent concerned because they were too frightened. A story we did not tell was of the land we looked at to purchase.  Approx. 10 mins from Tortosa Centre in amongst orange groves was a lovely flat piece of land with almonds and oranges, it had a newly dug well and elecricity and the most beautiful stone building with arches and roses (a building to die for so they say) BUT we later found out that the English people selling same had applied for planning permission to renovate it and they were refused permission and were told that it was an almacen and that is all it ever would be! Now we know where to look there are many sites on the net which will give you details of Spanish Building Regulations and these have probably come about because of people like us who have had problems
In respect of our remarks about Health Care we were just giving the facts in answer to a query on the forum
and would agree that the Spanish Health Care System is great.
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sabineopp
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Re: Keith & Liz/ Val & Terry
Reply #1 - Nov 11th, 2006 at 12:44pm
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Val and Terry have a point in that life in Spain is based on individual experience. We for example have friends living here who have no intention of even visiting the UK if they can help it, whilst we have other friends who like us are debating a return to the UK.
One aspect from the highly interesting postings is the aspect of good fortune. This seems to play a great part in whether or not you successfully settle in Spain. We know of several cases where despite people's best intentions including a great deal of detailed research and seeking independent professional advice, things have gone wrong which clearly leaves a bad taste and can affect your ability to settle here.
The point is Terry and Val are correct. The ambiguities surrounding buying and living in the campo are not  readily apparent as mentioned. Even well established friends who have lived here for a number of years have been caught out. Not by doing anything deliberatly illegal or for that matter ignorance of the planning laws. It is more a case of interpretation of the legislation rather than deliberate breaches.
We are dealing with a situation which is constantly changing and until the new legislation and subsequent amendments are bedded in, difficulties and misunderstandings will arise. The fact is as Terry and Val have pointed out that the authorities are not doing anything at estate agency level in order to clarify the current position. We are aware that people are still being hood winked into purchasing fincas etc. without the correct information. A friend of ours who is a property locator was horrified recently whilst attending a completion signing when the notary nonchalantly challenged her solicitor's request to have a fairly modest entry contained in the escritura with the comment "look, the land is in the campo. Does it matter?". This is just one example of even at a legal level of professional incompetence. If our friend had not been so aware this could have resulted in yet another purchase subsequently going bad.
This could all be so easily controlled by the insistence that a Informe Urbanistico is attached to every escritura informing people upfront exactly what they are buying with regards to future use/planning.
Thereafter if individuals choose to flout the information then they clearly only have themselves to blame. But there is little doubt that the current bewildering and confused manner in which fincas and land in the campo are being sold will continue to result in the usual steady stream of misinformed and therefore disadvantaged purchasers.
This is not good for Spain, it is not good for Spain's reputation and it clearly is a disaster for the victims.

Kind regards
Gary

  
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nobrot
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Re: Keith & Liz/ Val & Terry
Reply #2 - Nov 11th, 2006 at 2:00pm
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Another point regarding notaries which Gary didn't mention,a fact that they(as far as I believe) are all government employees,is that they seem to encourage the black economy by suggesting an actual price payable,knowing full well the agreed price and the fact that they leave the room to allow this 'under the table transaction'to take place.I'm sure not many of us actually mind this practise taking place but surely the implication of this activity alone leaves many other questions open to answers.
  
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Tony
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Re: Keith & Liz/ Val & Terry
Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2007 at 7:39pm
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Well, the court case has come and gone, and not a word of the result has been published on these pages although Terry and Val have written to Catalonia Life. 

Many of us know the result, but do we know the whole story ?  All we hear is the agent being run down but if this is the case why did she win ?

However, what I will say is that we bought through the agent concerned and we have been more than pleased with the service that was provided at the time, and the continuing afterservice.  Whenever, I have a query I approach both the agent and the local adjuntament (in the park) amongst others and have had nothing but helpful assistance.
  
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Debbie
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Re: Keith & Liz/ Val & Terry
Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2007 at 10:46am
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I was aware of the court case but had not heard the outcome, could someone enlighten me?

I only know of Val and Terry through friends and it seems that they lived in a village very close to ours in England and then they bought a place in the next village in Spain, how bizarre!
  
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riddler
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Re: Keith & Liz/ Val & Terry
Reply #5 - Jan 16th, 2007 at 10:58am
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Sorry we have not let the well wishers know what has happened it was an oversight due to the trauma we are suffering at this moment in time.
The verdict was that the case of FRAUD against her was not proven beyond reasonable doubt (she did not win)  we have also been told that the Judge said that we could take out a Civil Case against her for compensation.  We are taking further legal advice.
The Buider who was paying us back over ten months stopped paying in October but he signed a legal document agreeing to pay
us back - so this is not yet over.
As far as the letter from Tony goes all  I have to say to him is -
"Have you stopped to think that because we were in the process of sueing her when you puchased your property that she cleaned up her act?"   Just a thought.
  
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