Fantastic news Hazelnut - well found!

There's also a recent article from L'Ebre newspaper at -
http://ceduladehabitabilidad.wordpress.com/latest-news/
Thanks to The Olive Press for getting hold of a copy.

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Where exactly is this government building please? Address or landmark maybe...ta

Summary of the meeting ( main points)

The Secretary of Gen Cat  dept Habitatge  Sra Carme Trilla I Bellart   explained  to the assistants of the meeting   the following :

- In 1984  appears the 1st norm about obtaining cedula of habitabilitat . before 1984 did not exist as a norm .
- Viviendas before 1984 had like a second class cedula , after 1984  is a 1st class cedula.
- It is essential that he town hall acknowledges  the vivienda in the certificate.
- From 1984  the law states that any vivienda has to have a cedula .
- The government of Generalitat  understands the present problem with cedulas and its difficulty in getting them.
- There are  4  professional bodies involved in  the issue of cedulas . Architects , Town hall tecnicos and mayors ,Consell comarcal tecnico , Department of habitatge in Tortosa.   
- Generalitat de Catalunya Departament of  medi Ambient I Habitatge  Will notify the Town halls( ayuntamientos ) about  how to deal with the management of the cedulas. They will apply the law 18/2007
- Basically they will distinguish between  houses built before 1984  and houses built  after 1984 , also if the land is  1- urban , 2-classed to become urban   or 3- rustic non urban .
- Generalitat dept Habitatge  will have a meeting with town halls   and will give them a model  of certificate for them to fill in when somebody applies for a certificate in views of  getting a cedula. This certificate will be the same for all town halls . It will be ready by the end of June  beginning of July.
- If your house was built before 1984 in  urban land  or classed to become urban  there will be no problem in getting the cedula. 
- If your house was built before   1984  in  rustic land   as far as  the town hall acknowledges the house  there will be no problem in getting the cedula .
-If your house was built after 1984   in urban land or classed to become urban and the town hall acknowledges the house then there will be no problem in getting the cedula.
-If your house was built after 1984  in rustic land ( no urban  or non classed to become urban ) then you will not get the cedula .
- In this last case , the property can be sold as far as it is stated in the transaction with notario that  is a casa de campo , almacen or building for farming purposes  and not used as a vivienda.
- The Secretary Sra Carme Trilla  pointed out also that there is no law about  the need to have a cedula  to have the padron . Only that each town hall has its own bylaw  and it seems  some are asking for the cedula  , however  everybody living in Spain needs to have a padron  regardless of having a  cedula.  Town halls  need to know who lives where  and from how long .
- Lastly  the same Habitatge law  that inforces the habitability of a house and to have a cedula also is inforcing  that anybody in business or dealing with property  will have to be registered and have an homologation number  in the Generalitat dept habitatge  , only professionals  that  become competent  will be able  to have this homologation number  given by the Generalitat dept habitatge .  Inmobiliarias will have to have at least one  professional  with homologation number working for them . By the end of this year .

Hi Greg

I don't think it is exactly Fantastic news!! Especially not for some!!

It is only up to date information!!

It now depends on the instructions given to the Local Alcaldes and how they interpret them!!

" Generalitat dept Habitatge  will have a meeting with town halls   and will give them a model  of certificate for them to fill in when somebody applies for a certificate in views of  getting a cedula. This certificate will be the same for all town halls . It will be ready by the end of June  beginning of July." (Which Means nothing will happen till September summer Hols and all.)

Plus someone was telling me that they had read a report in a local newspaper that the Habitatge in Tortosa already has a backlog of 800 applications awaiting a decision!!

It will be interesting to see what the form requires as criteria for Success or worse still Failiure

Hi Santsalvador

Yes I agree it has not changed the situation by much!

Just Clarified the situation!!

Don't you wish you could have obtained a comprehensive document re the law regarding land and property before you bought!! even if you did have to get it translated!!

But Then they have changed the rules so many times the Document would have been worthless!!

Although we were not here in 1984 as most of us I suppose, your casa or casita may have been!! and there may be a mention of the date of construction in your Esquitura, worth checking so see if the building was constructed before 1984!!

Glimmer of Hope Possibly

....maybe the reference to  '1984' has an Orwell overture to it....

The API do not seem impressed with the outcome of this meeting!!

THE OFFICIALS OF THE TERRES DE L'EBRE ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE SOLUTIONS GIVEN BY HOUSING IN THE LEGAL DOCUMENTATION FOR RURAL HOMES (02-06-2010)
One half of registered nurses in Terres de l'Ebre met yesterday at noon at Tortosa with the Secretary of Housing and Environment of the Generalitat of Catalonia, Carme Trilla, to listen to solutions that have been determined from complaints by the API to the problem of the impossibility of real estate transaction in thousands of homes in the area by the new rules compulsory to present the certificate of occupancy, in most cases non-existent and impossible to achieve.

Trilla held a preliminary meeting with the engineers responsible for planning of the different municipalities of the Terres de l'Ebre and some mayors, who are responsible for enforcing the law and manage document processes and then received the representatives of the College of API, the College of Technical Architects and the Architects Association of the province of Tarragona. The secretary, two technicians and the Housing Officer and the Delegate of Environment Lands l'Ebre explained to the referees who have studied its proposal to the unique situation of urban construction in large rural area and have tried to find solutions .

Those responsible reiterate the 18/2007 law enforcement with a transitional provision of Decree 55/2009 (to implant in accordance with the Councils) that allows for the card in the rustic houses prior to August 11, 1984, provided that can demonstrate their housing conditions through the land, certified municipal planning permission for housing or use of any such document certifying that reaffirms the status that is used as housing in accordance with current regulations at the time. If not, be considered non-residential houses and in any case, proper housing in rural land. In situations of housing built under city planning, urban plans ... unconsolidated land will be almost entirely accepted, but we must keep in mind that there are many municipalities that do not have these conditions.

Our referees were disappointed because they believe that only solves a small part of the problem, a small number of houses. They think that the administration has had the will to provide solutions but is not aware of the magnitude of the problem, which otherwise is coming from afar, from the time they left the building and transmit consistories homes in certain areas and have ended up affecting owners who had no problem with making a home in the appropriate time or to sell or buy a few years ago and now find their hands tied without being informed. In the API it is up to the dirty work of having to explain and stop the transactions.

Since the central government was reported that the application of the new decree is implemented by local councils from the month of June. But agents are not convinced and believe that should provide more solutions, so do not rule out further action in this regard.